Best and worst US presidents

[truth1337]

Putting it here since it's political not historical. Hopefully with parallells drawn to modern events.

Who, in your opinion, was the worst US president ever?

As much as I dislike Mubarack Hussein Osama and George Double-Euw Bush, they don't even come close to George Bush senior "We have a great chance at this New World Order. When we are successful - and we will be muahaha - we have a great chance at this New World Order", but not even he is close to the worst of them all: Woodrow Wilson.

Not only because he brought America into a war she had no reason to send her children to die in - ww1. Bringing America into that war not only led to the unnecessary death of numerous Americans and Europeans, it also led to the Balfour declaration which would later create Israel and thus the genocide of Palestinians that has been going on ever since (which obviously was the indirect cause of the "terrorism" enemy of today), and obviously also to World War Two.

Those are however still the smallest reasons to dislike Woodrow Wilson, since these actions "only" caused some 50-60 million dead. What overshadows this horrible man's reputation more than anything, was his allowing the banking cartel to create the Federal Reserve, which in turn gave rise to the satanic "ideology" of marxism - an "ideology" that has since then cost over 150 million people their lives.

The creation of the Federal Reserve allowed the globalist Jewish bankers to acquire enough money to sponsor the Russian Revolution and the senseless killing that followed, often of the best of the people in the countries they took over - the intellectuals, the artists (if they refused to produce Entartete Kunst), the beautiful, and so on. This "ideology" introduced by force by 8000 trained import revolutionaries sent to Russia, would not only plague the East European countries in its grip, but also turn into the most costly and dangerous enemy of America ever seen. Apart from its terror in Europe - America's brothers - it would spread to Vietnam, Korea and more where millions of Americans lost their lives defending mankind against this plague of senseless murder and enslavement, disguised as "liberation of the workers". And today, children and grandchildren of the butchers from Russia are in high positions in the American political establishment - men like David Axelrod (grandson of the Gulag genocide leader Bronstein aka Trotsky), and the Gulag butcher descendant Michael Chertoff (whose surname means "devil" in Russian), who wrote the freedom-destroying Patriot Act and led the "investigations" of 911 that came to the conclusion that it is completely natural that 2 planes flying into two reinforced concrete buildings would make 3 buildings fall with perfect controlled demolition precision without tipping to either side.

This Federal Reserve also became the cause of every economical crisis and decline of America and Europe since its creation in 1913. Still today, 99 years later, it runs the very same usury scam - printing worthless paper money out of thin air to the government and demanding it back with interest, causing massive inflation and massive debts, which are driven in by taxes. By using its thus stolen money to buy control over all mainstream media, it has been able to spread the lie, that it is taxes not printed money and inflation that gives the state the means to pay for your social security, and by this technique, it has been able to increase tax rates rapidly, in some countries to over 70% (if you count VAT and all other taxes included), while the truth of the matter is that taxes go directly to the banksters.

Who, in your opinion, was the best US president ever?

As legendary as JFK became through his abolition of the Federal Reserve through Executive Order 11110, his attempt to disband the corrupt CIA, and his famous warning speech about communism "for we are opposed around the world by a ruthless monolithic conspiracy [etc]" his failure to protect himself from death by these two forces (banksters and communists), which have always been the same force, still must put him below the greatest president of all time - Andrew Jackson, who actually DID manage to abolish the Federal Reserve and SURVIVE all attempts at assassination following upon it. His last words, when dying a natural death, was "I killed the bank" - greater last words than those are hard to find! Perhaps some time, there will come a new President who will eat Federal Reserve banksters for breakfast, and communist scum for supper!

[Sire Brenshar]

Andrew Jackson has my vote for the best president, check out this documentary:
http://www.cracked.com/video_18463_a...president.html

[Jaketh]

Andrew Jackson has my vote for the best president, check out this documentary:
http://www.cracked.com/video_18463_a...president.html

I believe Teddy Roosevelt was the best president of all time, as shown in this highly informative article.

[hellheaven1987]

I believe Teddy Roosevelt was the best president of all time, as shown in this highly informative article.

Second that choice.

[Lord Baratheon]

Andrew Jackson has my vote for the best president, check out this documentary:
http://www.cracked.com/video_18463_a...president.html

You get these all over Northern Ireland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:An...kson_mural.png
Im not so familiar to all the American Presidents ,so why does everybody hate Wilson?Please no nonsense about Israel...please

[Col. Tartleton]

You get these all over Northern Ireland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:An...kson_mural.png
Im not so familiar to all the American Presidents ,so why does everybody hate Wilson?Please no nonsense about Israel...please

It makes sense to me, if Longshanks was the English Hammer of the Scots, Jackson was the Irish Hammer of the Brits. No one killed Tommy Atkins like Andy Jackson.

Wilson was basically the cause of segregation, a suppressor of speech, and on and on and on. His foreign policy is okay generally, but his domestic policy was ed up.

[Lord Baratheon]

It makes sense to me, if Longshanks was the English Hammer of the Scots, Jackson was the Irish Hammer of the Brits. No one killed Tommy Atkins like Andy Jackson.

Those murals are actually in Unionist areas,because Jackson is regarded as the most famous of the Scots Irish-Americans(actualy called Ulster-Scots here in Ireland).The irony is that he grew to hate the British.His parents house is in carrickfergus,you know,if you ever want to come see it

And as for this argument that America should never have joined the First World war,nevermind that,Britain should never have joined the war!

[athanaric]

Im not so familiar to all the American Presidents ,so why does everybody hate Wilson?

Because he was very involved with controversial nation concepts, and generally trying to change the world (for the best, as he saw it. No need to assume some dark conspiracy there).

It makes sense to me, if Longshanks was the English Hammer of the Scots, Jackson was the Irish Hammer of the Brits. No one killed Tommy Atkins like Andy Jackson.

Wasn't he primarily the Hammer of Native Americans?

[truth1337]

You get these all over Northern Ireland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:An...kson_mural.png
Im not so familiar to all the American Presidents ,so why does everybody hate Wilson?Please no nonsense about Israel...please

Wilson basically played a major role in creating all major problems America has faced since 1913 and up till today, it really can't get worse than that I guess

[Thorn777]

Wilson basically played a major role in creating all major problems America has faced since 1913 and up till today, it really can't get worse than that I guess

One of those "major problems", the so called Wilsonianism was actually pretty firmly acted out by McKinley prior to Wilson.

And I have a hard time viewing Wilsonianism as an issue of morality, spreading democracy etc. Anyone who is familiar with the works of Rosa Luxemburg and similar socialist critics always knew about the need for the kind of capitalism of back then, and today again, to expand outwards and in essence needs the host nation to become imperialistic.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Wilson:
"Since trade ignores national boundaries and the manufacturer insists on having the world as a market, the flag of his nation must follow him, and the doors of the nations which are closed must be battered down … Concessions obtained by financiers must be safeguarded by ministers of state, even if the sovereignty of unwilling nations be outraged in the process. Colonies must be obtained or planted, in order that no useful corner of the world may be overlooked or left unused."

Like it was about the population of all these places....

Also there where plans already steadily underway for a fed prior to Wilson.

Then Theodor Roosevelt created "major problems" by transforming the Secret Service from an institution who's one duty was fighting Financial Crime, into what it still is pretty much today after the McKinley assasination. Very similar to GWB transferring 2000 FBI agents from major financial-fraude cases to fighting terrorism after 9/11.

So you can see the innitiations towards and expansive nation state and the systemic subversion of major financial interests build up prior to Wilson already. But of course its always welcome that just one guy gets the blame, who supposedly had just to many moral issues going. Also a pattern you see often, like with GWB supposedly that bumbling idiot trying to spread his morals his way etc. Baloney.

As far as Andrew Jackson goes, he was not only a genocidial maniac when it came to killing indians, but his populism pandering to the south also greatly added to destabilizing the north-south relations. Also his supposedly great act of "killing the bank" created the Panic of 1837, and followed massive inflation and also added to creating an atmosphere for political conflicts to rise. All while the first and second national banks where actually hugeley succesful in what they where intended to do, mainly as building down national debt after the revolutionary war, issuing sovereign credit instead of govt lending from private banks, issuing commercial and public loans to create infra-structure and foster commerce, and regulating the private-banking sector, and was hugely popular among the population. Jackson in favor of Laisses-faire policies, in line with the Agricultural southern aristocracy and eastern banking elites, basically killed The American Sytem. Also hugely popular among the general population in the industrial north, but not so much down south who had an economy going dependent on slaves producing cheap goods and could easily deal with limited restrictions.

The bank Jackson killed, actually worked to the benefit of the population and the country, and after some decades of "free-banking", political chaos, inflation, social chaos, and civil-war, the national-banks came back into the picture.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Opposition to the Bank's revival emanated from two interests. Old Republicans, represented by John Taylor of Caroline and John Randolph of Roanoke[39] characterized the Second Bank of the United States as both constitutionally illegitimate and a direct threat to Jeffersonian agrarianism, state sovereignty and the institution of slavery, expressed by Taylor's statement that "...if Congress could incorporate a bank, it might emancipate a slave".[40][41][42][43] Hostile to the regulatory effects of the central bank,[44] private banks – proliferating with or without state charters[45] – had scuttled rechartering of the first BUS in 1811.[46][47] These interests played significant roles in undermining the institution during the administration of US President Andrew Jackson (1829–1837).[48]

By the time of Jackson's inauguration in 1829, the national bank appeared to be on solid footing. The US Supreme Court had affirmed the constitutionality of the Bank under McCulloch v. Maryland, the 1819 case which Daniel Webster had argued successfully on its behalf a decade earlier[71], the US Treasury recognized the useful services it provided, and the American currency was healthy and stable.[72] Public perceptions of the central bank were generally positive.[73][74] The Bank first came under attack by the Jackson administration in December 1829, on the grounds that it had failed to produce a stable national currency, and that it lacked constitutional legitimacy.[75][76][77] Both houses of Congress responded with committee investigations and reports affirming the historical precedents for the Bank's constitutionality and its pivotal role in furnishing a uniform currency.[78] Jackson rejected these findings, and privately characterized the Bank as corrupt institution, dangerous to American liberties.[79]

I am personally very skeptic about national-banks, but in principal its a necessity, as its a necessity to be skeptical on any such power. Its once again just a matter of how its chartered and how much democratic oversight is given. The myth that all national-banks where evil is just very simpleminded and displayes ignorance of history.

[nemgod]

Putting it here since it's political not historical. Hopefully with parallells drawn to modern events.

Who, in your opinion, was the worst US president ever?

As much as I dislike Mubarack Hussein Osama and George Double-Euw Bush, they don't even come close to George Bush senior "We have a great chance at this New World Order. When we are successful - and we will be muahaha - we have a great chance at this New World Order", but not even he is close to the worst of them all: Woodrow Wilson.

Not only because he brought America into a war she had no reason to send her children to die in - ww1. Bringing America into that war not only led to the unnecessary death of numerous Americans and Europeans, it also led to the Balfour declaration which would later create Israel and thus the genocide of Palestinians that has been going on ever since (which obviously was the indirect cause of the "terrorism" enemy of today), and obviously also to World War Two.

Those are however still the smallest reasons to dislike Woodrow Wilson, since these actions "only" caused some 50-60 million dead. What overshadows this horrible man's reputation more than anything, was his allowing the banking cartel to create the Federal Reserve, which in turn gave rise to the satanic "ideology" of marxism - an "ideology" that has since then cost over 150 million people their lives.

The creation of the Federal Reserve allowed the globalist Jewish bankers to acquire enough money to sponsor the Russian Revolution and the senseless killing that followed, often of the best of the people in the countries they took over - the intellectuals, the artists (if they refused to produce Entartete Kunst), the beautiful, and so on. This "ideology" introduced by force by 8000 trained import revolutionaries sent to Russia, would not only plague the East European countries in its grip, but also turn into the most costly and dangerous enemy of America ever seen. Apart from its terror in Europe - America's brothers - it would spread to Vietnam, Korea and more where millions of Americans lost their lives defending mankind against this plague of senseless murder and enslavement, disguised as "liberation of the workers". And today, children and grandchildren of the butchers from Russia are in high positions in the American political establishment - men like David Axelrod (grandson of the Gulag genocide leader Bronstein aka Trotsky), and the Gulag butcher descendant Michael Chertoff (whose surname means "devil" in Russian), who wrote the freedom-destroying Patriot Act and led the "investigations" of 911 that came to the conclusion that it is completely natural that 2 planes flying into two reinforced concrete buildings would make 3 buildings fall with perfect controlled demolition precision without tipping to either side.

This Federal Reserve also became the cause of every economical crisis and decline of America and Europe since its creation in 1913. Still today, 99 years later, it runs the very same usury scam - printing worthless paper money out of thin air to the government and demanding it back with interest, causing massive inflation and massive debts, which are driven in by taxes. By using its thus stolen money to buy control over all mainstream media, it has been able to spread the lie, that it is taxes not printed money and inflation that gives the state the means to pay for your social security, and by this technique, it has been able to increase tax rates rapidly, in some countries to over 70% (if you count VAT and all other taxes included), while the truth of the matter is that taxes go directly to the banksters.

Who, in your opinion, was the best US president ever?

As legendary as JFK became through his abolition of the Federal Reserve through Executive Order 11110, his attempt to disband the corrupt CIA, and his famous warning speech about communism "for we are opposed around the world by a ruthless monolithic conspiracy [etc]" his failure to protect himself from death by these two forces (banksters and communists), which have always been the same force, still must put him below the greatest president of all time - Andrew Jackson, who actually DID manage to abolish the Federal Reserve and SURVIVE all attempts at assassination following upon it. His last words, when dying a natural death, was "I killed the bank" - greater last words than those are hard to find! Perhaps some time, there will come a new President who will eat Federal Reserve banksters for breakfast, and communist scum for supper!

Sorry but there is a huge problem with Jackson. Trail of Tears was basically a genocide forcing the natives to walk thousands of miles with no provisions just because he didn't like them.

[Dr. Croccer]

Sorry but there is a huge problem with Jackson. Trail of Tears was basically a genocide forcing the natives to walk thousands of miles with no provisions just because he didn't like them.

That doesn't matter because he 'BROKE DA BANK', whatever the that's supposed to mean.

I don't like Reagan either, but for what he represented he had a shred of integrity compared to the Republicans now.

The guy's an actor. He was made for politics before he even contemplated it.

[B. W.]

This one's a no brainer:

George Washington

Without him, his efforts, and the precedents he established, there would be no U.S.A.


Edit: sorry, I was sleepy. I thought the OP was asking about the best president. As far as the worst, it has to be a tie between Jackson, Carter, and Obama.

Jackson expanded the palntation system in the South which would later contribute to the causes of the Civil War and also brought all the harshness in the slavery system that is typically protrayed in the movies today.

Carter's foolishness in the mideast and levant left us with problems we are still dealing with today and Obama's legacy will probably be worse.

[AqD]

This one's a no brainer:

George Washington

Without him, his efforts, and the precedents he established, there would be no U.S.A.

So he is either the best, or the very worst one?

[Vanoi]

The worst Presidents are always usually considered to be Warren G. Harding and James Buchanan.

As for the best Presidents, its a bit hard. it always comes up to four people. George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, FDR, and Reagan.

[Soothsayer]

I did mine by era.

-1825
Best- Thomas Jefferson
Worst- None if you ask me


1825-1865
Worst- James Buchanan
Best- Abraham Lincoln

1865-1945
Worst- Herbert Hoover
Best- FDR

1945-
Worst- Richard Nixon
Best- Ronald Reagan

Top Five Charisma's

1. Teddy Roosevelt
2. JFK
3. Andrew Jackson
4. George W. Bush
5. Barack Obama

[Town Watch]

Doesn't Ike deserve the honorable mention? Kennedy and Ike have the highest two approval ratings of post-FDR presidents

[Enemy of the State]

From a libertarian standpoint, it doesn't get much worse than Woodrow Wilson. As for best? Well, the people that did the least. Grover Cleveland, Calvin Coolidge. Thomas Jefferson was also pretty good.

[Col. Tartleton]

Maybe it's because I find dynastic politics more interesting I think the Adams, Roosevelts, Kennedies, and Bushes are quite outstanding. I mean I'm with Enemy of the State for Liberal Conservatism, if it's practical. I mean you can be pretty non interventionalist or pretty hawkish and still advocate conservatism depending on how you interpret it. The Adams school would say that while free people should stand in solidarity we cannot be expected to fight wars of liberation on behalf of others. The Bush school would say that we should work to create functioning Republics which we can talk to and trade with. The only thing we should do to a militant totalitarian regime in good faith is attack them. Of course some may argue that we risk becoming what we fear that way, but I don't think that's how fascism comes into being. Fascism comes as a reaction to the failure of more liberal systems for whatever reason. Being a bit more flexible is probably an advantage.

I think most of our best presidents are also our worst presidents. The guys who do the most good tend to do the most damage. It's easier to lump president's into ones that do a lot and ones that don't do much.

Someone like a Coolidge can be considered one of the best because he didn't do anything terrible, but he didn't do very much at all. Someone like Teddy Roosevelt did a lot, so he's more polarizing.

[Fight!]

A lot of the popular historical presidents are over-rated, I feel.

People praise Lincoln for freeing the slaves, but not only did he plan on shipping them to Liberia, but he was simply maintaining the party line. I brought this up recently in another thread, but had he not become president, Seward would have, and he was considerably more liberal for the time.

Reagan is praised as some kind of economic mastermind, but he raised spending incredibly in addition to reforming the tax code, a double-dosing treatment that can't possibly fail anything but the debt, which increased under him more than it did under any president ever.

Andrew Jackson had a complete disregard for anyone's opinions, and today he'd be considered insane.

The best president would have to be Clinton. His economic policy was the most successful of any president, and was keen on social issues.

A close second is Eisenhower, a former general who recognized that increasing military spending would lead to a military industrial complex, and that the money would be better spent elsewhere. It's shameful to think that his words of warning were ignored, which has lead to the ludicrous spending we have today.