Nazi fun - Griffin investigated by police by calling for attacks on homosexuals on Twitter

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-20000243

Nick Griffin, leader of the British National Party and MEP is under police investigation and has had his account suspended from Twitter after publishing the private address of a homosexual couple and claiming a "British justice team" would visit to give them "a bit of drama".

This follows a ruling where a homosexual couple were awarded damages on the basis of discrimination after they were refused the use of a room they had booked in a Bed & Breakfast owned by a Christian who objected to their sexuality.

This underlines what the BNP truly is - a nasty gang of incompetent fascists.

[mishkin]

Oh my god I agree with Ferrets, the end is near!!!!

[removeduser_487563287433]

A stopped clock is right twice a day, Mishkin, you shouldn't be congratulating yourself on agreeing with me too much.

[Diglytron]

lol, I really don't understand how BNP people can complain about Muslim intolerance against ''Western'' society while they practically do the same thing.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Well, Griffin's response to people pointing out that was essentially that people should be having a go at Muslims, not him, so no irony lost there at all.

[King Gambrinus]

How is this vile piece of filth an MEP? Who voted for him?

[removeduser_487563287433]

How is this vile piece of filth an MEP? Who voted for him?

The North West of England. MEPs are elected proportionally, so despite only receiving 8% of the vote, we send a Nazi to Europe, which is exactly the opposite of what this country has traditionally done with Nazis and Europe.

Should private businesses be allowed to deny property access/service to others for arbitrary reasons? I know there are some who, even if they disagree with the beliefs of the anti-gay B&B owners, believe in their right to deny access to others for that reason.

Well they're wrong. It's illegal to discriminate on the grounds of sexuality, as it is illegal to discriminate on the grounds of race. Do these hypothetical people of yours believe they should have the right to refuse to serve black people?

[King Gambrinus]

The North West of England. MEPs are elected proportionally, so despite only receiving 8% of the vote, we send a Nazi to Europe, which is exactly the opposite of what this country has traditionally done with Nazis and Europe.

I blame the 8% more than the proportional representation. First past the post constituency system is very undemocratic.


In the case of the European Parliament though, I think that's one of the rare occasions a constituency based system could work...They're more like glorified ambassadors that representatives of the people.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I blame the 8% more than the proportional representation. First past the post constituency system is very undemocratic.

Although there's a good argument for saying that, it does means Nazis get into legislatures.

In the case of the European Parliament though, I think that's one of the rare occasions a constituency based system could work...They're more like glorified ambassadors that representatives of the people.

What do you mean?

[King Gambrinus]

Although there's a good argument for saying that, it does means Nazis get into legislatures.

Put a percentage limit or something like that to keep extremists out. Even then democracy is always good when a minority is represented, even if that minority is undesirable.

What do you mean?

Most MEPs act more under national interests than ideological ones. You wouldn't believe the amount of inner party divisions. In the Greens for example, the German Greens are quite centrist while the French ones are bordeline Marxists. It only reinforces the idea that Europeans are more influenced by their history than by their ideology.

Besides, they have very little power when they are supposed to be the "democratic arm" of the EU. They just amend papers that the Commission gives them, most of which are fairly pointless. Some MEPs don't bother showing up 7 days a week. I don't blame them. The whole system needs to be rethought if we're going to take MEPs and the EU as an organisation seriously.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Should private businesses be allowed to deny property access/service to others for arbitrary reasons? I know there are some who, even if they disagree with the beliefs of the anti-gay B&B owners, believe in their right to deny access to others for that reason.

[mongrel]

Should private businesses be allowed to deny property access/service to others for arbitrary reasons? I know there are some who, even if they disagree with the beliefs of the anti-gay B&B owners, believe in their right to deny access to others for that reason.

Should businesses be allowed to beat up and rob people? No because like the above, such conduct is illegal.

I wonder what a "British Justice Team" looks like.

[Spitfire -WONDERBOLT!]

Should private businesses be allowed to deny property access/service to others for arbitrary reasons? I know there are some who, even if they disagree with the beliefs of the anti-gay B&B owners, believe in their right to deny access to others for that reason.

I know a farm machinery rentals business that has a sign up behind the counter stating they have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. They typically use this as an excuse not to rent to stereotypical gypos, and there may be some wisdom in that. I know nightclubs sometimes refuse entry to people who are not part of a group, and they have similar notices on their tickets and whatever. I know an insurance company that only offers service to women and a phone company that only offers service to people aged between 18 and 22.

I don't see a problem with that. I'm quite a liberal who is very anti-nationalism and all that but I believe in tolerating people who have different - even if I find them heinous - views, and acting on those views so long as it harms noone else.

2010 Equality act says no. You have the right to refuse service WITHOUT a reason in the U.K. which isn't the same thing at all.

[mishkin]

2010 Equality act says no. You have the right to refuse service WITHOUT a reason in the U.K. which isn't the same thing at all.

a baker can refuse to sell to a man for being black, gay, etc?

[boofhead]

a baker can refuse to sell to a man for being black, gay, etc?

You could in any country. If you don't give a reason, they can't prove discrimination, unless they do some kind of sting which exposes your bias statistically.

[Lord Baratheon]

It should of course be fought by media power limitation measures that can ensure not all media lies in the hands of the marxist establishment. Then, there would be alternatives to extremist pro-homosexual propaganda disguised as "entertainment", and most people would probably prefer that. When there are less cultural influences encouraging people to stray to the path of homosexuality, only those who are truly born homosexual would dream of remaining homosexual, and they would be tolerated and respected for being born that way. A very reasonable, tolerant and peaceful way of dealing with the marxist massmedia establishment tyranny of our time.


Precisely my point. However what DOES connect any group struggling against the marxist establishment to the question of homosexuality, is the desire to make sure people have a choice on whether to be exposed to pro-homosexuality propaganda or not, so that those who do not wish for it, can avoid it. The belief is that this will decrease prevalance of cultural homosexuality, and only natural (by birth) homosexuality will remain.

There are after all tragic cases in which boys who were abused became homosexual, even when there are strong indications that they would not have become so, had they not been abused. In those cases, the "tolerance for homosexuals" hypocrisy, and intolerance of any disagreement with the pro-homosexuality fascists, prevents people from helping these boys go back to heterosexuality. It is disguised as "tolerance" but is in fact a horrible crime towards these young boys.

A reasonable standpoint in the homosexuality question is therefore tolerance to people born homosexual, but also tolerance to criticism of pro-homosexuality propaganda, and tolerance to help programs for people pressured into homosexuality. Until we can get tolerance for both sides, we're still living in the Middle Ages.

There are no amount of expletives that I could use to describe you,and you should be glad the Mods are here.I would actually argue with your delusions of intellect(btw repeating the word Marxist does not make you intelligent)but what is the point?.Ill leave this point here.In only suggest that you find yourself a good Book on Human Sexuality and one on Marxism(you clearly dont understand the thing you profess to hate so much)but I can tell you here and know that most Marxist nations tried to supress Homosexuality and regarded it as detrimental to the oragnisation of a utopian Society.

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I know a farm machinery rentals business that has a sign up behind the counter stating they have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason. They typically use this as an excuse not to rent to stereotypical gypos, and there may be some wisdom in that. I know nightclubs sometimes refuse entry to people who are not part of a group, and they have similar notices on their tickets and whatever. I know an insurance company that only offers service to women and a phone company that only offers service to people aged between 18 and 22.

I don't see a problem with that. I'm quite a liberal who is very anti-nationalism and all that but I believe in tolerating people who have different - even if I find them heinous - views, and acting on those views so long as it harms noone else.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I don't see a problem with that.

Aside from it being illegal? This isn't a matter of your opinion. To discriminate on the basis of sexuality is legal and this test case has made a clear judgement on that.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Yes, I know it's illegal. And as much as I am accepting of all sexualities, my question is, should it be illegal?

[removeduser_487563287433]

Yes, I know it's illegal. And as much as I am accepting of all sexualities, my question is, should it be illegal?

In my opinion yes. These people booked their room. They showed up, travelling a significant distance. They were turned away, despite doing nothing wrong, on the flimsy justification of the hotelier's bronze age mythology. that - these people were the victims here, and yes the law should be there to protect them.