US Federal Reserve 'bomb plot' foiled by FBI - Stinge Operations

[PointOfViewGun]

US Federal Reserve 'bomb plot' foiled by FBI

US officials have arrested a man for plotting to detonate what he thought was a massive bomb in front of the Federal Reserve building in New York.

Most of you probably have heard this story by now. This is the second sting operation case that I can remember. They've basically approached this guy as criminals and guided him to commit a crime and then arrested him for it. I wonder what was their reason to watch him in the first place. It's like finding the weak spots of a person and then drive him insane and then admit him as mentally ill. It's fine to look for people that would be willing to commit crime for one reason or an other, though, if they looked at everyone the percentage of population in jails would rise sharply...

Do you agree with such sting operations?

[Vanoi]

US Federal Reserve 'bomb plot' foiled by FBI


Most of you probably have heard this story by now. This is the second sting operation case that I can remember. They've basically approached this guy as criminals and guided him to commit a crime and then arrested him for it. I wonder what was their reason to watch him in the first place. It's like finding the weak spots of a person and then drive him insane and then admit him as mentally ill. It's fine to look for people that would be willing to commit crime for one reason or an other, though, if they looked at everyone the percentage of population in jails would rise sharply...

Do you agree with such sting operations?

Well, on the news it said the FBI had found out he was in a few Jihadi chat rooms or something like that so they started to watch them. I don't think he was approached out of no where by some guys who said "Hey man you want to buy a bomb?" I think he was looking to buy a bomb and the FBI took this chance and set him up.

[Big War Bird]

Gotta feel for the guy on some level. He went from thinking himself a hero to his family, friends and God to being the biggest rube in the world. It must be the pits to realize everyone that you thought was a friend playing you for the fool.

However, I think you are wrong in believing this guy was some sort of innocent bystander that just got talked into this plot. According to the article her was trying to recruit help in carrying out an attack and this is what got the attention of the FBI.

[Davius]

Gotta feel for the guy on some level. He went from thinking himself a hero to his family, friends and God to being the biggest rube in the world. It must be the pits to realize everyone that you thought was a friend playing you for the fool.

However, I think you are wrong in believing this guy was some sort of innocent bystander that just got talked into this plot. According to the article her was trying to recruit help in carrying out an attack and this is what got the attention of the FBI.

"Feel for this guy"?? He was going to murder hundreds if not thousands in the name of Allah.

This piece of garbage needs to be buried up to his neck, and NYC rats devour him. Spending the rest of his life (40-60 years) in federal prison is far to good for this little jihadi coward.

Nothing to do with an immature, violent culture, of course.

[Captain Jin]

I have no issues with this whatsoever. He came to this country and actively sought people with ties to Al Qaeda or a network that could help him facilitate some kind of plot. An FBI source caught wind of it and fed him right into the FBIs hands. They offered him the opportunity to carry out his plot and he did, albeit with bs materials. So first of all he showed a willingness to seek people out in order to carry out an attack, then when presented with the supposed capabilities to carry out said attack he continued forward. The FBI didn't egg him on, they didn't corrupt his mentality or influence him in any way. He looked for the means to commit the attack and they provided them for him then he continued on with a willingness to carry out that attack once the materials were gathered and HE assembled a bomb. That isn't him being guided to commit a criminal act, but then you fall into that category of people that don't think these types of people, ie criminals, should be blamed or take responsibility for their actions. No one pointed a gun at him and forced him to do this, he came to the country on his own intent on causing an attack and they gave him the tools to see if he would do it. And he did.

[mrmouth]

The British do it a bit differently. Not surprising. They would rather assign assets to track the individual, and then only act when it goes into the late planning or early actionable stages.

Both work. However, the British approach takes a lot assets and money to maybe achieve the same result. That or you have potentially dangerous individuals living among you who need to be monitored until they leave, or die.

[Captain Jin]

The British do it a bit differently. Not surprising. They would rather assign assets to track the individual, and then only act when it goes into the late planning or early actionable stages.

Both work. However, the British approach takes a lot assets and money to maybe achieve the same result. That or you have potentially dangerous individuals living among you who need to be monitored until they leave, or die.

This was the case with all those people British authorities swooped up last year. There was a thread on it here at the time of course claiming more than likely the case was an example of fear mongering and victimizing Muslims on dodgy evidence since not much was revealed in the initial articles upon the arrests. But there were basically several cells spread out within southern England planning attacks that would coincide with one another. I was still working at the American Embassy at the time and they had told us a couple days before the news releases that these guys had been apprehended. Intel that we had gotten was that they were just about to move into the execution phase of their attack which sort of lends a terrible "In the nick of time" sort of aspect to the British method, especially if they didn't snag all the cells. We were told the Embassy was on the list of targets, so that would have made my job a lot more interesting had the attacks come to fruition. Still, having seen the behind the scenes a bit I can say the British are still fairly effective at this game despite their populations willingness to pretend its not an issue.

[mrmouth]

I just cannot fathom the man hours involved in even a protracted case.

Then you could have a guy that never gets beyond early planning or loose talk. He then resides as this potentially dangerous person who dives in and out of his local religious establishments, and could conceivably be triggered back into action at any point. Electronics make that more of an easy situation to monitor, but that is a scary proposition.

I prefer the FBI approach. And I can understand how distasteful it might appear to some people.

[Jom]

This was the case with all those people British authorities swooped up last year. There was a thread on it here at the time of course claiming more than likely the case was an example of fear mongering and victimizing Muslims on dodgy evidence since not much was revealed in the initial articles upon the arrests. But there were basically several cells spread out within southern England planning attacks that would coincide with one another. I was still working at the American Embassy at the time and they had told us a couple days before the news releases that these guys had been apprehended. Intel that we had gotten was that they were just about to move into the execution phase of their attack which sort of lends a terrible "In the nick of time" sort of aspect to the British method, especially if they didn't snag all the cells. We were told the Embassy was on the list of targets, so that would have made my job a lot more interesting had the attacks come to fruition. Still, having seen the behind the scenes a bit I can say the British are still fairly effective at this game despite their populations willingness to pretend its not an issue.

This, for me, is the only ethical way of doing things, as the sting detailed in the OP is far too close to entrapment for my liking. Of course, as you've mentioned, it does carry a greater risk, but I share Franklin's views:

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

A little idealistic, maybe, but I think too many lines are blurred in this case.

[Captain Jin]

This, for me, is the only ethical way of doing things, as the sting detailed in the OP is far too close to entrapment for my liking. Of course, as you've mentioned, it does carry a greater risk, but I share Franklin's views:

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

A little idealistic, maybe, but I think too many lines are blurred in this case.

Not really a breach on any of his liberties though. And besides that the British approach might be all peachy keen until one of those cells doesn't get swooped up and the next thing you know an attack occurs and everyone blames the agencies involved for not protecting them. It's standard fare. People demand security, then complain when security measures are taken, or when attacks occur and people are hurt. It's always a damned if you do approach. This isn't entrapment even in the slightest and I find the most civvies have a twisted sense of what entrapment is. Reminds me of dumb ass low level drug slingers going "Hey man, you a cop? If you a cop you gotta tell me or its entrapment!" Really why would they have undercover police if you could just as are you a cop and they have to tell you?

So, cops could guide a one time murderer to attempt to kill more and charge him with serial murder?

What are you talking about ? Do you have a grasp on reality? You keep saying guide. They DID NOT guide him. It's quite clear what he did. He came here with the INTENT to carry out an attack. He started talking to people to figure out how he could carry out the attack. One of those people was an FBI informant who put the FBI on him. The FBI approached him with the means to carry out the attack that he intended to commit. He willingly went forward by purchasing needed materials from someone he thought was giving him explosives. Then HE CONSTRUCTED A BOMB ALL BY HIMSELF, PLANTED IT, AND THEN TRIED TO DETONATE IT. You make it sound like he's a dribbling retard and that the FBI held his hand every step of the way, built the bomb for him, planted it for him then put the detonator in his hand and said blow this up. Or even that they encouraged his already twisted ideology by further indoctrinating him in religious dogma. None of that happened, he had the intent and was trying to find the means. Instead of finding a legit source for the means he ran into a laid out trap by the FBI and got snatched for it. Stop saying all this guiding bs it's complete horse . Get a grip.

[PointOfViewGun]

What are you talking about ? Do you have a grasp on reality? You keep saying guide. They DID NOT guide him. It's quite clear what he did. He came here with the INTENT to carry out an attack. He started talking to people to figure out how he could carry out the attack. One of those people was an FBI informant who put the FBI on him. The FBI approached him with the means to carry out the attack that he intended to commit. He willingly went forward by purchasing needed materials from someone he thought was giving him explosives. Then HE CONSTRUCTED A BOMB ALL BY HIMSELF, PLANTED IT, AND THEN TRIED TO DETONATE IT. You make it sound like he's a dribbling retard and that the FBI held his hand every step of the way, built the bomb for him, planted it for him then put the detonator in his hand and said blow this up. Or even that they encouraged his already twisted ideology by further indoctrinating him in religious dogma. None of that happened, he had the intent and was trying to find the means. Instead of finding a legit source for the means he ran into a laid out trap by the FBI and got snatched for it. Stop saying all this guiding bs it's complete horse . Get a grip.

He was approached by the FBI. Given material (fake ones) for a bomb by an FBI agent. He was driven to the target by that agent while he tried to assemble it. I have no reason to doubt the information given by the FBI but you can stop talking as if you were that agent that drove him to the target. It doesn't really make your argument stronger.

Intent to commit crime is different from attempt to commit crime.

I believe it was a failed operation. It's clear that they FBI had the power to get any info on the guy. They could keep monitoring him to find out which criminals actually contact the guy. It was simply a waste of an operation.

[Fernandez_1492]

Lol. Just another scare tactic. Terrorism is a good excuse. Hitler was aslo good at this. Communists and jews are evil, there we must kill them all!

[Slaytaninc]

Lol. Just another scare tactic. Terrorism is a good excuse. Hitler was aslo good at this. Communists and jews are evil, there we must kill them all!

So what are they trying to achieve? Help Obama get reelected?

[Vanoi]

So what are they trying to achieve? Help Obama get reelected?

Its an obvious conspiracy theory perpetrated by the Jews and the Illuminati in an attempt to stop the NWO from taking over the US.

[Vanoi]

We must stop them. Jews + Illuminati = NWO. We must not let them suceed.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

No man, NWO is a separate group. You see the Jews and Illuminati joined forces and control the USA while NWO is trying to take control of the US themselves, but the Jews and Illuminati are like "WTF no man this is our turf BRO!" meanwhile the Lizard Jews are doing some in Africa.

[Slaytaninc]

No man, NWO is a separate group. You see the Jews and Illuminati joined forces and control the USA while NWO is trying to take control of the US themselves, but the Jews and Illuminati are like "WTF no man this is our turf BRO!" meanwhile the Lizard Jews are doing some in Africa.

Dangit, it's even worse than I thought.

Tinfoil hats are not enough. We must have tinfoil bodysuits and line our houses with tinfoil. Don't use internet or watch TV either, that's how they control you.

[frozenprince]

Um, law enforcement doesn't just goad people into committing crimes willy nilly. A sting operation has to have a basis in that they knew he was seeking out something highly illegal and they wanted to trap him in it before anybody got hurt.

It happens almost every day. If not every day.

Lol. Just another scare tactic. Terrorism is a good excuse. Hitler was aslo good at this. Communists and jews are evil, there we must kill them all!

Do I have to get the Tin Foil hat men again?

[Border Patrol]

Um, law enforcement doesn't just goad people into committing crimes willy nilly. A sting operation has to have a basis in that they knew he was seeking out something highly illegal and they wanted to trap him in it before anybody got hurt.

It happens almost every day. If not every day.



Do I have to get the Tin Foil hat men again?

No?

http://technoccult.net/archives/2012...-selling-weed/

[Slaytaninc]

US Federal Reserve 'bomb plot' foiled by FBI


Most of you probably have heard this story by now. This is the second sting operation case that I can remember. They've basically approached this guy as criminals and guided him to commit a crime and then arrested him for it. I wonder what was their reason to watch him in the first place. It's like finding the weak spots of a person and then drive him insane and then admit him as mentally ill. It's fine to look for people that would be willing to commit crime for one reason or an other, though, if they looked at everyone the percentage of population in jails would rise sharply...

Do you agree with such sting operations?

If someone is stupid enough to seek people out, and then carry on an attack with fake materials, they deserve to be caught.

Turkey probably has even less tolerance for terrorist plots than the US.

Its an obvious conspiracy theory perpetrated by the Jews and the Illuminati in an attempt to stop the NWO from taking over the US.

We must stop them. Jews + Illuminati = NWO. We must not let them suceed.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Funny thing is sometimes the conspiracy theorists think Jews are behind it, and others think Jews are the intended victims. Quite hilarious really.

[PointOfViewGun]

However, I think you are wrong in believing this guy was some sort of innocent bystander that just got talked into this plot. According to the article her was trying to recruit help in carrying out an attack and this is what got the attention of the FBI.

I never really made him an innocent bystander. He was however guided into committing a crime bigger than what he initially committed. It's like the cops trying to make you shoot more people after you shot the first.

I just cannot fathom the man hours involved in even a protracted case.

Then you could have a guy that never gets beyond early planning or loose talk. He then resides as this potentially dangerous person who dives in and out of his local religious establishments, and could conceivably be triggered back into action at any point. Electronics make that more of an easy situation to monitor, but that is a scary proposition.

I prefer the FBI approach. And I can understand how distasteful it might appear to some people.

Why not arrest the guy first without guiding him into a terror act and assign him to weekly meetings with a psychologist?

If someone is stupid enough to seek people out, and then carry on an attack with fake materials, they deserve to be caught.

Turkey probably has even less tolerance for terrorist plots than the US.

I don't really remember Turkish police guiding people into terrorist plots and then arrest them for that plot.