Punishment for the Black Prince

[HorseArcher]

Statement of the Consilium:

Senatorii the Black Prince has been found guilty by the Consilium de Civitate of attempting to blackmail the Staff of the Total War Center Forums and in doing so undermine the course of a disciplinary hearing initiated against him. His words were viewed as a direct threat both to the Staff and to the hearing in question.

As a result and following a majority decision by the Consilium de Civitate, Senatorii the Black Prince is hereby suspended from the rank of Civitate, and any other ranks he may hold as a member of the Total War Centre Forums, to the rank of Peregrinus, for a period of one month.

This decison is taken by the Consilium de Civitate and may not be appealed to the Curia as per the specific terms of the Civitate Behaviour Act.

After one month, any rank Senatorii the Black Prince was removed from as a result of this statement shall be reinstated in full.

- The Consilium de Civitate

[Gaius Baltar]

Senatorii the Black Prince has been found guilty by the Consilium de Civitate of attempting to blackmail the Staff of the Total War Center Forums

Can you be more specific?

[Niles Crane]

Can you be more specific?

There was a trial involving him, I think Garbsardar enjoyed being the prosecutor.

Isn't this a bit harsh? Blackmail is pretty commonplace these days.

[RZZZA]

Boo!

Its a conspiracy!

[HorseArcher]

ok, this is not here as something to argue or negotiate upon. the council made this decision and it's a done deal. it's here as info. maybe i should close this thread.

[Belisarius]

This was nothing to do with Archer or staff, you guys wanted laws and power and it was given to you, the people you elected voted on the trial that you voted into the constitutiom and tBP was found guilty. ANYONE who breaks the law is punished and thus someone popular broke it. If you want power over yourselves you have to deal with this sort of thing because if you start a riot every time somone you like is punished that power will be taken away.

This was totally independant from staff and thats all that will be said regarding staff and this case.

[Gaius Baltar]

Why not release the details? Trial transcripts? Is there something we should not see? :hmmm:

[Evariste]

Wow...that's just....wow. I hadn't even known that there was a trial....

[Richard the Lionheart]

Well, the punishment is really not that harsh. And it's only for a temporary period of one month. So I don't think it's too big of a deal. Afterall, we all make mistakes sometimes.

[Sétanta]

Is there a chance that the trial will be released to the whole curia, as this is a Curial matter (Prothalamos if you don't want to go that public).


Perfect use of our new powers. I don't know the circumstances but I applaud the CdeC for taking action. Finally.

[RZZZA]

Yes, details please. Who did he blakmail, and how?

[Belisarius]

Is there a chance that the trial will be released to the whole curia, as this is a Curial matter (Prothalamos if you don't want to go that public).


Perfect use of our new powers. I don't know the circumstances but I applaud the CdeC for taking action. Finally.

If its allowed I have no problem with that at all, I finished off the case when Garb went away for him.

It depends on what you guys had voted into the constitution.

[Sétanta]

If its allowed I have no problem with that at all, I finished off the case when Garb went away for him.

It depends on what you guys had voted into the constitution.

Nothing says the logs can't be posted in the Censure section...

[Richard the Lionheart]

Nothing says the logs can't be posted in the Censure section...

I think it mostly has to do with privacy.

[Belisarius]

Civitates Behavior Act
If a Civitates is found to be acting in opposition to the rules of the forum and Curia, or is otherwise neglecting his duties or carrying about in a manner unbefitting his position, he may be approached for counselling, censured or demoted for his behaviour. No Civitate may be found guilty in more than one action for the same offence.

Action of Counseling:

The Consilium de Civitate has the power to privately contact Civitates which it feels are not maintaining a high enough standard. The members of the Consilium de Civitate would then review the Civitates posts over an agreed period of time and attempt to help the Civitate improve their posts. This work is kept strictly confidential and only the Civitate in question can mention that it is happening. At the end of the agreed timescale the Consilium de Civitate can choose to take further disciplinary action.


Action of Censure:

Initiation:
No civitates' rank shall be involuntarily suspended except through the process of censure.
A majority of the Consilium de Civitate can initiate censure. Any Civitates wishing to bring to the attention of the Curia the behaviour of a civitate has to do so by PM addressed to a member of the Consilium de Civitate. The Consilium de Civitate can adopt or dismiss the accusations. No Civitates may be censured for his behaviour except by means of the procedure defined below.

Procedure:
Once an accusation has been brought forwards either by one of the aforementioned bodies or by another member and has been subsequently adopted by the Consilium de Civitate, the civitates is notified by PM. A civitate who is under accusation can opt either to defend themselves or request a champion to defend them.

The defendant or their designated champion has 3 days to prepare their case. On the 4th day the Consilium de Civitate opens a thread in the Quaestio Perpetua in which to hear the case. The Consilium de Civitate then appoints one of its members as prosecutor for the case, and the prosecutor and the champion/defendant debate the case in the appropriate thread for 7 days. No other member can post in this thread.

When the 7 days are up the prosecutor may suggest a suitable punishment from the list below. The Consilium de Civitate will then close the thread and decide on what they think is a suitable course of action. The maximum time allowed to decide is one week. This choice is confirmed by a simple majority vote for or against the chosen course of action. The acting prosecutor will not take part in the vote. Councillors of the CdeC are encouraged to abstain from voting if they feel their judgement may be unacceptably influenced by bias.

Possible courses in an action of Censure include but are not limited to:

* Dismissal of the case.
* Warning, the Civitates will automatically be suspended from the Civitate rank for 1 month if he receives a Warning within the next 3 months.
* Suspension of Civitates rank for up to 1 month.
* Re-trial under Action of Ostrakon.


Appeal:
Consilium de Civitate decisions may only be appealed to the general Curia if more than 2 members of the Consilium de Civitate voted against it. If an appeal is made a thread is opened by the Consilium de Civitate in the Curia Vote and all Civitates can vote on the judgement with the following options:

* Judgement remains unaltered.
* Judgement is increased by one level.
* Judgement is reduced by one level.



Action of Ostrakon:

Initiation:
No Civitates' rank shall be involuntarily removed except through the process of Ostrakon.
If a Civitate holds three unexpired warnings they are immediately subject to these proceedings. Charges will be brought by the Curator on behalf of staff. Any Civitate can bring charges of Ostrakon by sending a PM to the Consilium de Civitate. The Consilium de Civitate may advise against the Ostrakon by a majority vote. If the accuser proceeds with the case against the advice of the Consilium de Civitate and fails to obtain a conviction, the accuser will be subject to Censure proceedings.

Procedure:
Once an accusation has been brought forwards, the Consilium de Civitate will notify the accused Civitates by PM. A civitate who is under accusation can opt either to defend themselves or request a champion to defend them. The Consilium de Civitate will appoint the Curator or Civitates who brought the accusation as prosecutor for the case. This task cannot be delegated.

The defendant or their designated champion has 3 days to prepare their case. On the 4th day the Consilium de Civitate opens a thread in the Quaestio Perpetua in which to hear the case. The prosecutor and the champion/defendant debate the case in the appropriate thread for 7 days. No other member can post in this thread. When the 7 days are up, the debate is over and the prosecutor will announce the suggested penalty. The Consilium de Civitate then close the debate thread and open a new thread in the Curia Vote sub-forum stating the names of the accused and prosecutor, and the suggested penalty recieved from the prosecutor. A Private poll will be attached with 4 options:

* Convict the accused.
* propose Censure instead of Ostrakon
* Dismiss the case
* Abstain.


The poll will remain open for 7 days. Conviction and Dismissal require a majority of non abstaining voters to pass. If neither option acquires a majority of non abstaining votes the case is referred to the Consilium de Civitate to be tried as a case of Censure.

If this allows it, I am ok with it as long as anything does not fall under staff nondisclosure.

[Romanos]

Its not harsh at all, but kind of unexpected. :hmmm:

[Last Roman]

Well, the punishment is really not that harsh. And it's only for a temporary period of one month. So I don't think it's too big of a deal. Afterall, we all make mistakes sometimes.

agreed. He can still post here if he wishes to do so. So really, it's nothing big.

[Richard the Lionheart]

I really don't understand what the big deal is. The punishment is temporary and is for a very short term.

[Richard the Lionheart]

No matter what happens, it always gets twisted and blown out of proportion.

[Zuwxiv]

I think we would like to be more informed about the situation so we could formulate our own opinions. I respect the decisions of those involved, and trust it to be fair; but the accusitions of crimes against one of our most senior members does beckon a few questions.

Personally, I would like to see the records, but as Hader said, if not I'll understand. The punishment was more of a public shame than anything else - a fairly light punishment.