Iran plotting to spill oil in Strait of Hormuz, magazine claims

[thelionheart]

"The goal of the plan seems to be that of contaminating the strait so as to temporarily close the important shipping route for international oil tankers, thereby 'punishing' the Arab countries that are hostile to Iran and forcing the West to join Iran in a large-scale clean-up operation – one that might require the temporary suspension of sanctions against Tehran."

or so the newspaper thinks. After all they think the Iranian government is rational...

When I was a highschool freshman student, there wasn't much of the Sunni-Shiite war going on today. I for one, didn't know that I was a Sunni There was no visible difference between the two and we were so mesmerized by Hizbollah's so called victories over Israel.

I really thought that there was no real difference until the USA invaded Iraq for some reason after invading Afghanistan relieving Iran from it's two enemies and seriously injuring Arab national security. I started hearing comments from people I thought believed in the same religion as I did that they want to kill us. They said -not knowing that I was a Sunni- that the mehdi will come and that 90% of the Arabs will die.
( بحار الانوار 52/333. bihar al anwar: Sees of light)

The Iranian love continued further, in 2005, they unleashed their militias to kill and terrorize Iraqi Sunnis killing about 700,000 of them, and establishing the most sectarian regime in the world. This regime is so sectarian that it's president, Noori Malki, said that he is a Shiite first and an Iraqi second.

The Human rights watch criticized Iraq for the unbelievably large number of execution sentences that were carried out this year. All sentenced people are Sunnis and most of them had fake trials! (report of Human rights watch)

Here again, Iran plans to commit a genocide against the Arabs by polluting the gulf water. The very water the Arab gulf drinks from (after desalting it) I still can't figure out why Arabs even consider Israel as a problem

Main topic of Discussion: Iran plotting to spill oil in Strait of Hormuz, magazine claims

[Vanoi]

I don't believe it to be honest. But doing this would only honestly hurt Iran.

[Sir Pignans]

Would certainly work.

Well, could possibly work.

[Bobz]

Would certainly work.

Well, could possibly work.

If you definition of work is turning the rest of the world against Iran, then yes it would.

[DarthLazy]

So a whole discussion based on what a magazine claims ?

And,

The Iranian love continued further, in 2005, they unleashed their militias to kill and terrorize Iraqi Sunnis killing about 700,000 of them,

Source it .

[s.rwitt]

rhetoric

[Kanaric]

After all they think the Iranian government is rational...

What have have thay done that is irrational for a dictatorship other than their brand of propaganda?

[Manuel I Komnenos]

The Iranian love continued further, in 2005, they unleashed their militias to kill and terrorize Iraqi Sunnis killing about 700,000 of them

That's a genocide. Are you sure it happened?

[Doge Domenico]

That's a genocide. Are you sure it happened?

And a big one at that. I haven't heard anything about such a huge genocide.

[thelionheart]

That's a genocide. Are you sure it happened?

This is the number of Sunnis who died due to suicide bombings, or US-Iraqi military operations. well the only resources I have are from the so called Iraqi resistance which is viewed as a terrorist organization by the west. Sadly, most English websites say that it's the US fault like this one.

I have contacted an Iraqi Sunni activist and I hope to hear from him soon. I asked him for English resources to support the claims he made on his websites*


*the claims were well documented in Arabic. I hope he has something in English. The problem is Sunni activists usually do not care about the opinion of the west

[Savoyard]

This is the number of Sunnis who died due to suicide bombings, or US-Iraqi military operations. well the only resources I have are from the so called Iraqi resistance which is viewed as a terrorist organization by the west. Sadly, most English websites say that it's the US fault like this one.

I have contacted an Iraqi Sunni activist and I hope to hear from him soon. I asked him for English resources to support the claims he made on his websites*


*the claims were well documented in Arabic. I hope he has something in English. The problem is Sunni activists usually do not care about the opinion of the west

I thought Wahhabis and Salafis do the whole suicide bombing. I mean you'll be hard pressed to find an Iranian suicide bomber, believe it or not.

[MathiasOfAthens]

Bull ing .

[Thorn777]

Seems like one of these DC NGO internet papers.

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Amos B. Hostetter Jr.
Chairman
Currently Chairman of Pilot House Associates, L.L.C., Amos B. Hostetter, Jr. is Co-Founder, Former Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Continental Cablevision, Inc. He is a Former Director of AT&T, former Board Member and Chairman of the National Cable Television Association (NCTA); a Founding Board Member and former Chairman of C-Span and Cable in the Classroom; former Board Member of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting (CPB), Children’s Television Workshop (CTW), the Nantucket Conservation Foundation and the Colonial Williamsburg Foundation. Mr. Hostetter is the recipient of the Harvard Business School Alumni Achievement Award; was inducted into the Cable Television Hall of Fame and Broadcasting Magazine’s Hall of Fame for lifetime contribution to the Communications Industry. He is currently Chairman of the Board of Trustees of WGBH, a Trustee of the Museum of Fine Arts (Boston), the North Bennet Street School and Belmont Hill School; and Chair Emeritus of the Board of Trustees of Amherst College. Mr. Hostetter is a former Member of the Vestry of Trinity Church, Boston; received a B.A. from Amherst College and an M.B.A from the Harvard Business School.

James M. Stone
Vice Chairman
James M. Stone received a Bachelor’s degree with Highest Honors, and a Ph.D. in Economics, both from Harvard University. He was then appointed Lecturer in Economics by the Harvard Faculty, where he taught the economics of securities markets. In 1975, Mr. Stone was appointed by Governor Michael S. Dukakis to serve as the Commissioner of Insurance for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. He was appointed Chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission by President Jimmy Carter in 1979. In 1983, Mr. Stone concluded his term in Washington and returned to Boston, where he founded The Plymouth Rock Company, a property and casualty insurance business. He continues to serve as the Chairman and CEO of Plymouth Rock. He served as a member of The Boston Globe Board of Directors for six years. He is currently the Chairman of the Board of Directors of Management Sciences for Health (msh.org) and Chairman of the Committee on Academic Affairs for the Board of Directors of Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory (CSHL.edu). Mr. Stone is the author of a book on the securities industry and numerous articles on insurance, finance, and economics. He has served as an advisor to governments in several developing countries. Mr. Stone is married, with two children, and lives in Boston.

Philip S. Balboni
President, Chief Executive Officer and Co-Founder of GlobalPost
Mr. Balboni is the President, Chief Executive Officer and Founder of GlobalPost. He is one of the country’s leading journalism entrepreneurs and during his career has been the direct or leadership recipient of nearly every major award in American journalism including multiple Peabody, duPont-Columbia, Murrow and Emmy awards. Mr. Balboni was also the Founder of NECN/New England Cable News, the nation’s largest and most honored regional news network, where he was president for 16 years. Previously, Mr. Balboni served as Special Assistant to the Chief Executive Officer of the Hearst Corporation; and as Vice President and News Director at WCVB-TV, the ABC television station in Boston, where he conceived and launched in 1982 the nightly news magazine “Chronicle,” which is considered to be the most successful local television program in American history. Mr. Balboni began his journalism career in 1967 as a general assignment reporter for The Richmond (VA) Times-Dispatch and then moved to United Press International where he was a correspondent and editor in the Boston bureau. He is a magna cum laude graduate of Boston College, attended the Sorbonne in Paris, and was a Ford Foundation Fellow in Advanced International Reporting at Columbia Journalism School.

Lawrence K. Fish
Board Member
Lawrence K. Fish is the Former Chairman and CEO of Citizens Financial Group, Inc., and currently is Chairman of Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, the largest educational publishing company in the United States. He began his career in 1969 with the US Agency for International Development (USAID) in Rio de Janeiro Brazil. His banking career began in 1972 at Bank of Boston, where Mr. Fish ran operations in Brazil and Japan, headed the Asia-Pacific Region, ran Trust worldwide and headed New England Banking. In January 1999, Mr. Fish joined the Federal Advisory Council, a panel of 12 bankers who serve as a key source of information for the Federal Reserve Board of Governors, and in January 2001, he was appointed Vice Chairman. He also served as Director of The Federal Reserve Bank of Boston from 2002 through 2004. Mr. Fish is a Director of Textron, Inc., and Tiffany & Co., and in July 2003 was named to the MIT Corporation, the Board of Trustees for MIT, where he was also selected to join the Executive Committee. He serves on the FDIC Commission on Economic Inclusion, is an Overseer of the Boston Symphony Orchestra, and is an honorary Trustee of The Brookings Institution. A 1966 Graduate of Drake, he earned an M.B.A from the Harvard Graduate School of Business Administration

[Heinz Guderian]

Bad crazy Iran. Always getting into scrapes and adventures. Like a religiously observant Young Indiana Jones.

[I WUB PUGS]

Oh really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Hossein_Fahmideh

Some would say they pioneered the tactic in modern times.

[Sir Pignans]

If you definition of work is turning the rest of the world against Iran, then yes it would.

Well, that's what blocking the Hormuz straight would do. The rest of the world already pretty much hates Iran. I don't think doing this would make their situation that much worse, unless it triggers an invasion.

Oh really?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Hossein_Fahmideh

Some would say they pioneered the tactic in modern times.

I thought that was the Tamil Tigers? Besides, having that much of a memorial for one guy who was a suicide bomber (and even then, it was a personal decision, in the midst of pretty big war) would seem to suggest it's something of a special person, not something they do a lot.

[Vanoi]

Well, that's what blocking the Hormuz straight would do. The rest of the world already pretty much hates Iran. I don't think doing this would make their situation that much worse, unless it triggers an invasion

It would piss off Russia and China, some of the few countries who don't hate Iran. And it would trigger and invasion if the US knew of the plan.

[I WUB PUGS]

Pignans, Hezbollah (shia) are also accused of conducting numerous suicide attacks in the 80's although they deny them but....

There's a friggin mural to one of them in Tehran:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istishh...rdom_operation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezboll...nd_kidnappings

yeah yeah all wiki sources

Too lazy to go to primaries.

[Sir Pignans]

It would piss off Russia and China, some of the few countries who don't hate Iran. And it would trigger and invasion if the US knew of the plan.

I don't think so to be honest, the US wouldn't invade over this, it's a subtle attempt, but it's not about blocking the straight completely, I don't even think it would be for that long even if it succeeded, it's probably more about lifting sanctions, the German magazine claimed the Iranians would be needed for technical assistance (something I doubt to be honest, but not sure). Openly blocking a straight is one thing, this would be another. People would and complain, maybe introduce more sanctions, but not an invasion most likely.

Oh, and Iran has flat out denied the accusations: http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/1...89G0WN20121017

Pignans, Hezbollah (shia) are also accused of conducting numerous suicide attacks in the 80's although they deny them but....

I'm not saying they don't commit them, god no, I was just under the impression that it was the Tamil Tigers who really pioneered and developed suicide warfare.

There's a friggin mural to one of them in Tehran:

You'll have to forgive me, but to me, that's just a painting on a wall, with what I think looks like a picture with a picture of the Hezbollah leader in the background. Some context on said picture would be nice. I can't read Arabic/Persian.

[Col. Tartleton]

Given how much the population of Iraq has grown in the last 10 years I'm curious what happened to those "700,000 people".

Iraq in 2002: Roughly 24 million
Iraq in 2012: Almost 33 million

8-9 million people in 10 years of growth and people are claiming there was a genocide.

Iranians suicide bomb, but to my knowledge when doing so they're more about unconventional asymmetric warfare and less about terrorism.