Marie Stropes to open abortion clinic in Belfast

[removeduser_487563287433]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19902778

Background:

Unlike the rest of the UK, Northern Ireland has strictly controlled abortion laws. Although short of making abortion illegal, such as in the Republic of Ireland where an abortion may only be performed as part of medical intervention to save a woman's life, a Northern Irish woman may only receive an abortion if her physical or mental health is in danger, within just 9 weeks of the gestation period. This compares to the 24 week period of the United Kingdom.

In 2011, 678 abortions were carried out in Northern Ireland, but over a thousand women felt the need to make the journey to Great Britain to have an abortion there, to which they are entitled to. Over 7,000 women from the Republic of Ireland made the same journey in the same year. No figures are available for women who turn to "back-street abortions".

All major parties in Northern Ireland are opposed to any change in the abortion law. In 2009-11 I was working within the Shadow Ministry of Women and received a very large volume of letters from Northern Irish medical professionals, social workers and concerned members of the public requesting that the major UK parties step in to bring NI law in line with that of the United Kingdom. We also received a letter signed by all major NI parties requesting we do nothing. This was the first thing the parties had ever been able to put up a united front for in their entire history.

Due to the highly sectarian nature of Northern Ireland and the Catholic character of Ireland in general, any attempt to provide rights for women in this regard has huge potential to be interpreted as a religious matter - protestants forcing their values on Catholics. This means that the UK Government has reaffirmed that any decision with regards to abortion in NI can only be taken by the devolved assembly at Stormont.

Marie Stropes is a well known provider of abortions, birth control and education for women. For these services they are frequently picketed by Christian groups. Their NI clinic will be providing medical abortions within the law in Northern Ireland, as well as education and treatment for sexually transmitted diseases.

Opinion:

I think this represents a groundbreaking step, and one that Marie Stropes and anybody supporting or working for this clinic should be commended for. This is a brave move - even in Great Britain you can routinely see Christian groups picketing locations and harassing women attempting to use Marie Stropes clinics, and recently one "pro-life" group went as far as to buy up advertising space around one London clinic, filling the space with emotionally charged pictures of babies and judgmental copy. It is inevitable that the Belfast clinic will come under a huge amount of criticism, protest and probably, I am sad to say, it will be physically attacked.

However, there is no denying that Northern Irish women are treated like second class citizens in terms of abortion in the United Kingdom. It seems grossly unfair and incorrect that a woman born in Belfast should have less rights than a woman born in Liverpool. Pragmatically speaking, the entire thing is a farce, since Northern Irish and Irish women can and do, in their thousands, simply take the time, money and stress to go to Great Britain to have the procedure there - for me this fact has always underlined the moral cowardice of the politicians and "pro-lifers" in Ireland. They have adopted a policy of "out of sight, out of mind". For me, that is just irresponsible. Especially the danger of back street abortions for those without the luxury of travelling to Great Britain.

However, the political issue underlying it all - that of sectarian conflict in Ireland and the Catholic emotional baggage when it comes to anything related to women's control of their own reproductive organs, cannot be ignored. The Troubles are not long over, it took many decades to end, and the peace will only be maintained by giving everybody's views air time and moving forward through debate and agreement. It is entirely right that Stormont be the deciding body on this matter.

However, that, sadly, leaves us with many, many thousands of women still being forced to cross the Irish Sea to receive a medical procedure their fellow citizens may get in their home towns. The rights of women is being sacrificed to ensure continuing peace in Northern Ireland, and I would be hard pushed to think of a more depressing or unjust social situation in the United Kingdom today.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Does the Protestant Church not have a issue with exterminating baby's up there or is it the Pope only that has issues?
A woman across the road from Eastern Europe has a baby with a man.She then split up with him and after 3mths was pregnant with this new man's kid.She had this baby also.She then gets pregnant again for this guy who does not have a job.The reason she got pregnant was he did not want to use a condom.And she did not take the pill as she said it makes her feel sick.So the guy does a runner.
She then decided to get a abortion and go over to LATVIA to get it as it is cheap.She killed the baby.
So now I think should she have been allowed to kill a baby when she should have took a injection or the pill or made the guy wear a condom.
Should abortion be abused like this by a lazy woman.Should abortion be used like a morning after pill.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Does the Protestant Church not have a issue with exterminating baby's up there or is it the Pope only that has issues?

Ignoring the fact that there's no such thing as "the Protestant Church", I mentioned several times in the above post that all major NI parties are united in being against a change to abortion law.

A woman across the road from Eastern Europe has a baby with a man.She then split up with him and after 3mths was pregnant with this new man's kid.She had this baby also.She then gets pregnant again for this guy who does not have a job.The reason she got pregnant was he did not want to use a condom.And she did not take the pill as she said it makes her feel sick.So the guy does a runner.
She then decided to get a abortion and go over to LATVIA to get it as it is cheap.She killed the baby.
So now I think should she have been allowed to kill a baby when she should have took a injection or the pill or made the guy wear a condom.
Should abortion be abused like this by a lazy woman.Should abortion be used like a morning after pill.

Should your ridiculous fantasies be a reason to punish anybody else? Are they a sufficient reason for an unequal distribution of rights in the United Kingdom? Does it make it any less arduous that women are being forced to cross the Irish Sea for a medical procedure they would be entitled to anywhere else in the country?

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Ignoring the fact that there's no such thing as "the Protestant Church", I mentioned several times in the above post that all major NI parties are united in being against a change to abortion law.

I am asking what does the prodestant witch doctors think of abortion are they for it or against overall.

Should your ridiculous fantasies be a reason to punish anybody else? Are they a sufficient reason for an unequal distribution of rights in the United Kingdom? Does it make it any less arduous that women are being forced to cross the Irish Sea for a medical procedure they would be entitled to anywhere else in the country?

She has to cross the Irish sea as it is illegal in the south to kill a baby are you saying she should break the law?All because she will not ask a man to wear a condom.She will not get the pill.She will not take the injection to keep her safe for 5 years.It is lazy and sluttish.She has committed murder as she could have prevented the death by using precautions.

I was reading about a woman who had 3 abortions.Surely she could have got sterilized instead.How many times does she need to kill a baby before she gets a man to wear a rubber.

Who are lazy idiots, why do you think they're lazy idiots, and what is the easy way out you're talking about?

The British chavs on benefit.
They are lazy as they will not take the pill as contraceptive which is free in the UK to keep chav baby numbers down.
The easy way out is murder.Some women have had a few abortions.Many take the morning after pill also instead of taking a pill a day or insisting the man uses a condom.If he will not wear it he has no respect for the girl and is irresponsible
It is not my place to stop Chavs killing their baby's but surely a little tablet a day keeps the abortion doctor away

Great, now the Irish working class will be able to afford abortions. The plebs make awful noise when they're happy.
One of the best ways of culling the scum of society was with botched back-street abortions, I guess this will be a thing of the past now. I liked things the way they were: clear class-distinction.

A coat hanger is cheaper.And if lucky you will never be able to conceive again saving going over again.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I am asking what does the prodestant witch doctors think of abortion are they for it or against overall.

You're going to need to refine that question before it can be answered. There's no such thing as the protestant church.

She has to cross the Irish sea as it is illegal in the south to kill a baby are you saying she should break the law?

If you bothered to read the OP you would know I am very clearly, as explicitly as possible, saying that I believe the law in Northern Ireland should be changed.

The British chavs on benefit.

Now you're not only answering for other people, but getting the wrong country to boot.

They are lazy as they will not take the pill as contraceptive which is free in the UK to keep chav baby numbers down.

No contraceptive is 100% effective and the pill is not free in the United Kingdom.

The easy way out is murder.

Funny how the only people who argue abortion is an easy thing to go through are men with zero experience of it.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

You're going to need to refine that question before it can be answered. There's no such thing as the protestant church.

The prodestant religion up the north of Ireland do they agree with abortion.Surely Jesus followers are all against this kind of thing.Free choice is a no no with these witch doctors.

If you bothered to read the OP you would know I am very clearly, as explicitly as possible, saying that I believe the law in Northern Ireland should be changed.

I am talking about the woman across the road from me should she be able to kill a baby as she is too lazy to take the pill or get the guy to wear a condom.I am sure you take precautions yourself so as not to get a woman pregnant so why cant others also be mature and responsible.
SHOULD A WOMAN WHO HAS HAD 3 ABORTIONS IN THE UK BE ALLOWED TO DO IT A 3RD TIME OR 4TH TIME??????how many abortions is too much..............................Lazy chavs killing babys and the government finances this to keep their numbers down and save on benefits and hand outs......No wonder we have the London riots with teenagers going around thinking they are entitled to free things....

[Fluttershy]

Does the Protestant Church not have a issue with exterminating baby's up there or is it the Pope only that has issues?
A woman across the road from Eastern Europe has a baby with a man.She then split up with him and after 3mths was pregnant with this new man's kid.She had this baby also.She then gets pregnant again for this guy who does not have a job.The reason she got pregnant was he did not want to use a condom.And she did not take the pill as she said it makes her feel sick.So the guy does a runner.
She then decided to get a abortion and go over to LATVIA to get it as it is cheap.She killed the baby.
So now I think should she have been allowed to kill a baby when she should have took a injection or the pill or made the guy wear a condom.
Should abortion be abused like this by a lazy woman.Should abortion be used like a morning after pill.

Isnt that something she should decide for herself? I personally do not like the idea of abortion and would advise a woman not to get one if a woman were to ask me. However I dont really think that the government has the right to dictate whether or not she should be able to get one.

I really dont see why people not directly involved should give a damn whether someone has an abortion or not

[AqD]

So now I think should she have been allowed to kill a baby when she should have took a injection or the pill or made the guy wear a condom.
Should abortion be abused like this by a lazy woman.Should abortion be used like a morning after pill.

Yes and Yes. Why should we even be able allowed to determine who can or cannot kill parasites inside their own bodies?

[I WUB PUGS]

Does the Protestant Church not have a issue with exterminating baby's up there or is it the Pope only that has issues?
A woman across the road from Eastern Europe has a baby with a man.She then split up with him and after 3mths was pregnant with this new man's kid.She had this baby also.She then gets pregnant again for this guy who does not have a job.The reason she got pregnant was he did not want to use a condom.And she did not take the pill as she said it makes her feel sick.So the guy does a runner.
She then decided to get a abortion and go over to LATVIA to get it as it is cheap.She killed the baby.
So now I think should she have been allowed to kill a baby when she should have took a injection or the pill or made the guy wear a condom.
Should abortion be abused like this by a lazy woman.Should abortion be used like a morning after pill.

The problem here Tom is not so much the babies but the woman in question. I wonder if we can abort her?

[Col. Tartleton]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19902778

Background:

Unlike the rest of the UK, Northern Ireland has strictly controlled abortion laws. Although short of making abortion illegal, such as in the Republic of Ireland where an abortion may only be performed as part of medical intervention to save a woman's life, a Northern Irish woman may only receive an abortion if her physical or mental health is in danger, within just 9 weeks of the gestation period. This compares to the 24 week period of the United Kingdom.

Oh God, the Irish culture actually likes babies.

In 2011, 678 abortions were carried out in Northern Ireland, but over a thousand women felt the need to make the journey to Great Britain to have an abortion there, to which they are entitled to. Over 7,000 women from the Republic of Ireland made the same journey in the same year. No figures are available for women who turn to "back-street abortions".

Nothing tugs at my heart strings like a criminal whose choices lead to injury in the course of committing a crime.

All major parties in Northern Ireland are opposed to any change in the abortion law. In 2009-11 I was working within the Shadow Ministry of Women and received a very large volume of letters from Northern Irish medical professionals, social workers and concerned members of the public requesting that the major UK parties step in to bring NI law in line with that of the United Kingdom. We also received a letter signed by all major NI parties requesting we do nothing. This was the first thing the parties had ever been able to put up a united front for in their entire history.

Yeah, because abortion is not quite as charming to Irish people as you would think.

Due to the highly sectarian nature of Northern Ireland and the Catholic character of Ireland in general, any attempt to provide rights for women in this regard has huge potential to be interpreted as a religious matter - protestants forcing their values on Catholics. This means that the UK Government has reaffirmed that any decision with regards to abortion in NI can only be taken by the devolved assembly at Stormont.

Well given it is a matter of Protestants forcing their values on Catholics its a fair characterization.

Marie Stropes is a well known provider of abortions, birth control and education for women. For these services they are frequently picketed by Christian groups. Their NI clinic will be providing medical abortions within the law in Northern Ireland, as well as education and treatment for sexually transmitted diseases.

Not people exercising their conscience. How terrible.

Opinion:

I think this represents a groundbreaking step, and one that Marie Stropes and anybody supporting or working for this clinic should be commended for. This is a brave move - even in Great Britain you can routinely see Christian groups picketing locations and harassing women attempting to use Marie Stropes clinics, and recently one "pro-life" group went as far as to buy up advertising space around one London clinic, filling the space with emotionally charged pictures of babies and judgmental copy. It is inevitable that the Belfast clinic will come under a huge amount of criticism, protest and probably, I am sad to say, it will be physically attacked.

Free Speech and Assembly? Disgusting. Offing a fetus? God given right.

However, there is no denying that Northern Irish women are treated like second class citizens in terms of abortion in the United Kingdom. It seems grossly unfair and incorrect that a woman born in Belfast should have less rights than a woman born in Liverpool. Pragmatically speaking, the entire thing is a farce, since Northern Irish and Irish women can and do, in their thousands, simply take the time, money and stress to go to Great Britain to have the procedure there - for me this fact has always underlined the moral cowardice of the politicians and "pro-lifers" in Ireland. They have adopted a policy of "out of sight, out of mind". For me, that is just irresponsible. Especially the danger of back street abortions for those without the luxury of travelling to Great Britain.

Those are their decisions to make. That this is impeding on their rights is a farce.

However, the political issue underlying it all - that of sectarian conflict in Ireland and the Catholic emotional baggage when it comes to anything related to women's control of their own reproductive organs, cannot be ignored. The Troubles are not long over, it took many decades to end, and the peace will only be maintained by giving everybody's views air time and moving forward through debate and agreement. It is entirely right that Stormont be the deciding body on this matter.

I don't see the problem. Alcohol is legal in the US but in some counties you can't legally sell alcohol. People have to travel for it.

However, that, sadly, leaves us with many, many thousands of women still being forced to cross the Irish Sea to receive a medical procedure their fellow citizens may get in their home towns. The rights of women is being sacrificed to ensure continuing peace in Northern Ireland, and I would be hard pushed to think of a more depressing or unjust social situation in the United Kingdom today.

Why do they get special privileges? If they get special "rights" I want to be special too.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Nothing tugs at my heart strings like a criminal whose choices lead to injury in the course of committing a crime.

I'm sorry... I'm not sure I understand you... it sounds like you're calling women who have an abortion in Great Britain, to which they are totally and 100% legally entitled to, "criminals". But since that would have to rate as among one of the most callous and idiotic things I have ever read on this forum, I must be mistaken and I am sure you will explain yourself.

Yeah, because abortion is not quite as charming to Irish people as you would think.

That's not really got anything to do with the point that I am trying to make, and I don't trade in vague statements, so let's turn to the polls:

2012 poll shows 80% of Irish voters would support change in the law to allow abortion to protect health of the mother

60% of 18 to 35 year olds in Ireland in favour of legalising abortion

So it looks like the attitude towards a change of law in Ireland has incredibly strong support, particular when you look at the younger age group. You know, the women actually capable of having children.

Well given it is a matter of Protestants forcing their values on Catholics its a fair characterization.

In my OP I tried to make it clear even for the most brain dead retard that all NI parties were united and the UK Government considered it a matter for the devolved assembly at Stormont. So how exactly do you intend to back up this moronic statement?

Not people exercising their conscience. How terrible.

How would bringing abortion rights in NI up to the rest of the UK stop people from "exercising their conscience"?

Free Speech and Assembly? Disgusting. Offing a fetus? God given right.

Okay now it's clear you're just posting crap for the sake of it.

[Himster]

Great, now the Irish working class will be able to afford abortions. The plebs make awful noise when they're happy.
One of the best ways of culling the scum of society was with botched back-street abortions, I guess this will be a thing of the past now. I liked things the way they were: clear class-distinction.

[nein]

It's fun giving lazy idiots an easy way out! That's what GB is all about I guess?

[removeduser_487563287433]

It's fun giving lazy idiots an easy way out! That's what GB is all about I guess?

Who are lazy idiots, why do you think they're lazy idiots, and what is the easy way out you're talking about?

[Himster]

Do we think reducing back-street abortions is a worthy cause?
I'm no fan of chavs/skangers/knackers, but there has to be a better way.
(Also what's the British term for a knacker ie. a rural chav?)

[Erebus Pasha]

Why is it assumed that only 'chavs' and 'lazy women' have abortions? I mean the only laziness I'm seeing is some of the stereotyping in this thread.

[Himster]

Why is it assumed that only 'chavs' and 'lazy women' have abortions? I mean the only laziness I'm seeing is some of the stereotyping in this thread.

It's relative to the thread. Before now the only people in Ireland who could get legal abortions were the middle-class by travelling to Britain, now there is an abortion clinic available close enough to be affordable to the poorer classes.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Do we think reducing back-street abortions is a worthy cause?

People have a right to work in the EU though.

Also what's the British term for a knacker ie. a rural chav?)

CHAV in London and NED in Scotland.Skanger in Dublin.

Funny how the only people who argue abortion is an easy thing to go through are men with zero experience of it.

How dare you

No contraceptive is 100% effective and the pill is not free in the United Kingdom.

The pill and condoms will make sure you do not get pregnant.Or the 5 year injection.Better long term than the morning after pill or killing a baby.Imagine killing your own baby.

FERRETS HOW MANY ABORTIONS BEFORE IT IS MURDER 3-4-5?????????????????????????????????????????????????
DO YOU THINK A WOMAN WHO CANT KEEP HER KNICKERS ON SHOULD KILL HER BABY????????????SURELY KEEPING THE PENIS OUT OF HER VAJAZZLE IS BETTER???????????

Why is it assumed that only 'chavs' and 'lazy women' have abortions?

A lazy woman who does not take the pill.Or insist a man wears a rubber.And Chavs and Neds are usually of low morals and pride and sluts.Most women who have abortions are slappers who could easily get the injection to prevent pregnancy.

[Erebus Pasha]

A lazy woman who does not take the pill.Or insist a man wears a rubber.And Chavs and Neds are usually of low morals and pride and sluts.Most women who have abortions are slappers who could easily get the injection to prevent pregnancy.

All I'm seeing here is more lazy stereotyping I'm afraid.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Getting a boat to the UK is not expensive.
Many times I got the Boat to Hollyhead to grab a Welsh Chav but being a gentleman I always wore a rubber.
You never know what you will catch.....


6. abortion culture
When a woman, usually young, lives with terminal abortion as a way of life, and take such a thing for granted, without even considering their decision and the impact of it.
For them, pregnancy = abortion time...

These are usually chav girls end up getting pregnant every other month from different fathers.
Chelsea is having another abortion this week. She lives the abortion culture.