Should Veterancy disappear over time?

[ray243]

Like the question above, I want to ask the people here do you think it is a good idea for for Veterancy to gradually disappear after a few years?

It makes little sense for a veteran unit to remain as a veteran unit if they have no fought a war for over 50 years. Most of the old guard would have died or retired, making very little sense for the unit to remain as a veteran unit.

[karamazovmm]

no! the old guard still trains the new guard and that line of thinking is only valid on standing armies, if you were like most of the world back then you would have any units as you have in tw. they would fight and they would return to the lands, if you want roleplay that way

[TheRomanRuler]

no! the old guard still trains the new guard

This is also reason why Unit X is better than unit Y after 60 yers and brand new soldiers.

[ngr]

Maybe. But it should be very long time without any wars.

[Petroniu]

Maybe. But it should be very long time without any wars.

Long time without any wars? Have you ever read history?

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

No htx

[Valden]

I think it should stay, although I agree that common sense dictates the veterans will die/retire and the unit will become less effective. From the perspective of playing a video game, I don't want my unit to degrade over time. I want a great game, not a flight simulator.

[Timotheus]

I agree, but not in Rome 2! Maybe some realism mod will be able to implent it!

[JaM]

I agree, but not in Rome 2! Maybe some realism mod will be able to implent it!

you think modders are some kind of magicians, do you if that feature wont be implemented in the engine, modders wont be able to add it...

[Architeuthis]

This is not a bad idea actually. However, I would suggest implementing a minimum level of veterancy /experience that any given unit could ‘degrade’ to. Certain technologies can then be researched to raise this level, representing professionalization of the army. I.e. retaining a good NCO corps that can quickly get new recruits up to standard.

[dl_iepurasu]

I would love for veteran units to degrade over time.

The way I see this happening is keeping track of the age (or the average age) of the soldiers in the army and, when they reach a certain limit, they are released from the army and given land in the province where the legion is stationed. This could be taken into consideration when computing how rebellious the province is, with a higher number of retired soldiers increasing the loyalty to Rome.

I would also love to be given the option of refreshing the legion aka bringing new recruits which will lower the grade of the legion, or retiring the legion altogether, slowly diminishing in numbers until it gets disbanded.

I feel it would bring a nice touch of strategy and management to the game. It is fascinating for me to read how the Romans were managing their soldiers, always moving them around their empire so they would not rebel together with the natives and so on.

[Kinjo]

No I rather my vets keep their experience, however I think experience should be earned in battle. I don't want to see new recruits that hasn't seen any action have huge amounts of xp like in Shogun 2.

For example when you have some of the dojos maxed out you can recruit units that have 7 experience. Honestly I hate how Shogun 2 handles veteran units in single player, I find myself disbanding vets for units I can build in a region with a black smith and a bigger dojo because they can get superior equipment and more experience. I liked how I could retain my units to upgrade their equipment in RTW and M2TW, but to be honest I would rather see a new system that focuses on the units and not the regions they are recruited in.

I wish the avatar veteran system was adopted to the single player campaign, I love my veterans from mp. I can (as in optional) rename them, change their color, and customize their stats from a limited selection of abilities. Now if you still wanted to tie regions to upgrades why have it something this, if you want to upgrade a units armor you have to have a armor smith in one of your regions for the option to be enabled. That way all upgrades can be done at the unit level and you don't have to shift you units all over the place.

[redxavier]

No from me as well. After a "few years" is also far too short a time to start losing experience. In all the games so far, experience has been gradual and difficult to gain in battles (building bonuses are a different matter). Reducing veterancy over time introduces a possibility that you work hard at getting your prized unit X amount of experience over 10 battles only to then have this work undone because you've spent a dozen or so turns not fighting because you're at peace or preparing for the next war.

Losing valuable experience over time should only be considered in cases of inactivity over very long periods of time, like 50-100 years.

[ray243]

When I say after a few years, I mean 20 plus years. That's like 40 turns if we using a two turns per year limit, and 80 turns if we are using 4 years per turn limit.

[JaM]

I'd say speed up the rate experience is gained, and make it fall off if unit is idle for long time. Even force disband it if its citizen levy unit (like all early republican legionary were). with professional legionary units, make them last 20 years, and then give player an option to keep them for higher pay (as Cohorts Evocata) or disband them.

[Sol Invictus]

I absolutely believe that veteran units should lose their veteran bonus over time. The process should be gradual and depend on how many casualties are taken and replacements received as well but if a veteran unit remains inactive over time with no change in status; taking casualties or receiving replacement while not experiencing any combat; then it should slowly lose its veteran status.

[Demetrios of Messene]

Losing veterancy over time sounds realistic, but I would not enjoy such a feature. Therefore, my answer to the OP is no.

By the way, I would very much like to see a different veterancy scheme, which would grant abilities to veteran units instead of the current bonus to stats.

[Praetorian_BGX]

Answer is no.

[karamazovmm]

I hope they implement the automatic disband of units after lets say 4 turns? Unless you are roman post marian reforms, otherwise, disband as well. That is realistic

[oppaiO_O]

nope... the way i see is like this... you have a unit who has proven themselves in the battlefield so when you get home the people'll be like "hey dude watch out those are some badasses over there" so then this'll make the unit commander have a reputation to uphold of being badaasses so he'll train every recruit hard to keep the unit strong so once the original members die off the unit will still be considered harden badasses because they train a lot...or at least this is how i see it