Romani Government Types

**asplenc** · October 08, 2012, 03:59 AM

Hi there,

I am relatively new to this mod and am about to start my fourth campaign as Romani. So i am looking for some pointers and advice please. With regards to the government types, apart from the obvious Type1's where should i be putting the others geographically?

Should i be putting type 2 on the Spanish med coastline? on the med islands? South of France? Adriatic Coast? Greece?

Should i be using type 3 for mainland spain? Central France? Southern Germany?

Should i be using type 4 for spanish Atlantic regions? Northern France? Egypt etc.

So far i have been getting mixed results from the government types and where they have been placed (pretty much as i have stated above), including the loss of towns through rebellion. So it would be good if there are any available tips from some of the more veteran players of this mod as to where you would place your different government types please.

Apologies if this has been asked before. I did read the FAQ etc and got to the descriptions of the government types......but no real geographical tips on where to place them.

**Biggieboy** · October 08, 2012, 04:19 AM

Originally Posted by asplenc

Hi there,

I am relatively new to this mod and am about to start my fourth campaign as Romani. So i am looking for some pointers and advice please. With regards to the government types, apart from the obvious Type1's where should i be putting the others geographically?

Should i be putting type 2 on the Spanish med coastline? on the med islands? South of France? Adriatic Coast? Greece?

Should i be using type 3 for mainland spain? Central France? Southern Germany?

Should i be using type 4 for spanish Atlantic regions? Northern France? Egypt etc.

So far i have been getting mixed results from the government types and where they have been placed (pretty much as i have stated above), including the loss of towns through rebellion. So it would be good if there are any available tips from some of the more veteran players of this mod as to where you would place your different government types please.

Apologies if this has been asked before. I did read the FAQ etc and got to the descriptions of the government types......but no real geographical tips on where to place them.

There no real golden rule as where you "should" place them. If you want to play historically, I'm sure there are many history buffs here who would tell you how it was in those places. If you just want to play your way, it depends really. In general, rank II will give you more building and development option than rank 3 and 4, but will limit the regional units available. Consider having at least 1 type 3 or 4 in iberia, because the regional units are awesome imo

The Gaesamica, Iberi Milites, Lanceari (God those lanceari!) are an effective killing force. So it all really depends on what you're after. Do you want to build bigger cities, or do you want to focus on recruiting regional units? check where you can train which units, and what lvl of regional barracks you need, that should help you out.

EDIT: also, you may find it useful where there is low happiness to build a type 4 government, and place a local governor, their influence and traits usually give a substantial boost to order and happiness

**asplenc** · October 08, 2012, 04:51 AM

Thank you for your reply. I am following the history lesson to a point (and its good fun)..... but when it comes to government types i am not too fussed, so really, i am not doing anything unusual? Yes i certainly want the regional units, they will help me take on the germans.... they are a real pain!

Okay - I now need to have a look at iberia again and convert the right towns to level 3 and 4 governments - so maybe i wont need to start a fourth campaign after all? I did destroy all the existing troops building facilities when i took the towns over. Yet to rebuild them as i have focused on income and happiness.

**Biggieboy** · October 08, 2012, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by asplenc

Thank you for your reply. I am following the history lesson to a point (and its good fun)..... but when it comes to government types i am not too fussed, so really, i am not doing anything unusual? Yes i certainly want the regional units, they will help me take on the germans.... they are a real pain!

Okay - I now need to have a look at iberia again and convert the right towns to level 3 and 4 governments - so maybe i wont need to start a fourth campaign after all? I did destroy all the existing troops building facilities when i took the towns over. Yet to rebuild them as i have focused on income and happiness.

Normally you have to destroy the recruitment building, because they're of no use to you anyway. Well, you don't HAVE to destroy them, but if the settlement gets conquered by the right people, they can use it immediately, so I usually destroy them unless I can use them (KH and Makedon for example share barrack buildings).

**asplenc** · October 08, 2012, 05:20 AM

yeah, i always destroy them. Good job too due to the unpopular response to my invasion in Iberia and having a type2 Gov town converting back to iberian town. Will get an appropriate character to help settle the natives once i retake the town.

**~~The Kybrothilian~~** · October 08, 2012, 06:47 AM

In areas where type 1 and 2 governments are possible, I usually install either a type 3 or 4 government in the conquered city, and later upgrade it gradually. Type 4 government, coupled with the client ruler allows a much quicker pacification of the city, so I'd advise to use it when you have to pacify a region quickly without needing to keep your legions in it for long. Otherwise use type 3.

When it comes to areas where the two lower type governments are the only ones you can build, I'd advise to normally build type 3 for the better infrastructure. Level 4 governments can be placed in certain key regions to provide you with level 5 regional units as well as recruited generals.

**Entropy Judge** · October 08, 2012, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by asplenc

Should i be putting type 2 on the Spanish med coastline? on the med islands? South of France? Adriatic Coast? Greece?

I would - and this is based on my normal playstyle, so it's more a thought process - build a Type 3 first and then go for 2. Until you hit the Marian Reforms, Type 2 govts for Rome don't do much except give you some extra Econ buildings; the only units you'll be able to recruit must come from Regional barracks, so starting at type 3 lets you see get to most (if not all) of the good units that might not be available to a Type 2 govt. Type 4 does get you one higher Regional Barracks, but in most places that won't get you any extra units, so it's probably not worth it to go for Type 4 unless you're hoping for a specific unit.

Should i be using type 3 for mainland spain? Central France? Southern Germany?
Should i be using type 4 for spanish Atlantic regions? Northern France? Egypt etc.

I would say to use Type 3 in all cases *unless* you're having signficant Unrest issues, in which case the Client Ruler from the Type 4 might be more helpful.

Originally Posted by Biggieboy

The Gaesamica, Iberi Milites, Lanceari (God those lanceari!) are an effective killing force.

Do note that the Romani do not get the Lanceari, which is a sadness. Really, the units of note that the Romans get in Spain are the Clona Tekonac (axemen) and Cantabrian Cavalry available in Asturias, IIRC, and the Milites Ilergetum in Emporion, as well as the Dunaminica in Celtiberia. The Gaesamica and I Milites are good units, but they're on the lighter end of the spectrum and I generally find them best used as Garrisons and roadblocks.

**Biggieboy** · October 11, 2012, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Entropy Judge

Do note that the Romani do not get the Lanceari, which is a sadness. Really, the units of note that the Romans get in Spain are the Clona Tekonac (axemen) and Cantabrian Cavalry available in Asturias, IIRC, and the Milites Ilergetum in Emporion, as well as the Dunaminica in Celtiberia. The Gaesamica and I Milites are good units, but they're on the lighter end of the spectrum and I generally find them best used as Garrisons and roadblocks.

Oh? Well, that explains why i didn't find them in the recruitment viewer

Well, then I'd only go with tier IV to fight public unrest then.

**asplenc** · October 12, 2012, 10:59 AM

I have opted for type 3 in mainland Spain. Looks okay so far...... need to increase town guard a tad and i now have characters in all the towns.

**ukrules** · December 06, 2012, 04:42 PM

My advice would be to built the best government building available with 1 being the best and 4 the worst.

**asplenc** · October 09, 2012, 05:06 AM

Ah this info is of great value - thanks very much. Well, last night i continued with my third campaign (instead of starting the fourth) and have converted some type 2 govs in mainland Iberia to type3, and although i have had to lower taxes due to red faces, i seem to be holding on to the towns for an additional turn now - which is encouraging....even though the population are still redfaced. I have raised about 12 slinger units from Capua - is it worth me sending these over to Spain to help quell rebellions ar should the type 3 gov do the trick? I only ask as i have demolshed the barracks in these towns and am yet to rebuild them to Roman Spec.

**Ballpoint202** · October 09, 2012, 10:40 AM

In most provinces, the best argument for a Type 4 instead of a Type 3 is public order. As mentioned above, a Type 4 with a client ruler is nearly proof against revolt.

My house rule for playing Roma is to build Type 4 everywhere, recruit a client ruler, and wait until that ruler's death to alter the government.