Marian reforms.

[Gandalfus]

PLEASE make it this time around that you can't get Lorica Segmentata legions straight away. At least make us wait 20 years, or set some imperial reforms in which you can get the Lorica segmentata. Because Marius and Julius Caesar's legions used Chainmail (the hamata) NOT the Segmentata

[♠ Thomas Cochrane ♠]

Do you not mean "NOT get Lorica Segementa legions straight away"??

EDIT: It's Lorica Segmentata too.

Also, I just posted this:
Experience should play a much bigger role than just a couple of stat increases. I've thought of a few, but the main one that comes to mind now is the Legionary Cohorts. It was stupid in RTW that you could chose to recruit either Hastatii, Principes or Triarii, as the smart player would just build an army of triarii. Instead you should just recruit troops, and they BECOME the aforementioned troops as they "level up" progressively in experience. Regarding the Marian Reforms, there is another thread discussing the creating and loss of Polybian legia after this event. My proposal is Hastatii, Principes and Triarii should all get immediately transforme,d into Legionary Cohorts, but with differing levels of experience, depending on 1) their original status and 2) their existing experience level.
Think about this, and how much it would affect gameplay, and realism at the same time. the mere idea turns me on.

[Berry_Punch]

One thing that bothered me in the first game was, when these reforms took places, you of course had armies of Hastatii, Principes and Triarii and you had to disband them. There should be a retrain and reequip option to turn these troops into those classical legionars. Also in the first game you had the early legion cohort (Chainmail) and the standard legion cohort (Lorica Segementa). The early legion cohort should also have the retrain and reequip option.

[♠ Thomas Cochrane ♠]

One thing that bothered me in the first game was, when these reforms took places, you of course had armies of Hastatii, Principes and Triarii and you had to disband them. There should be a retrain and reequip option to turn these troops into those classical legionars. Also in the first game you had the early legion cohort (Chainmail) and the standard legion cohort (Lorica Segementa). The early legion cohort should also have the retrain and reequip option.

Pretty much exactly what I said

[Aquila Romana]

I would like the Marian legionaries to look more accurate i.e. have a variation of republican helmets rather than the imperial gallic that suddenly appeared in RTW. They didn't feel like republican legionaries for me.

Imperial armour should only really be appearing at the end of the Augustan period.

[Marcus Aemilius Lepidus]

First of all: The marian reforms are totally utopical. Some things may changed in the era of marius and sulla, but just a few hints what that was.

Second: Even when the Lorica Segmentata apears in the Legion, it was a phaenomen of the Northern Legions and it seems that they didn't used them on the east or south.

[MemphisRex]

Instead you should just recruit troops, and they BECOME the aforementioned troops as they "level up" progressively in experience.

As in Mount and Blade: Warband?

But with a little bit more depth.

[Gandalfus]

Sorry,that's a tablet for you. Correcting everything to the wrong word .

yes,that would be good. They transform the instant the reforms trigger depending on their experience. And you should be forced to disband legions after 25 years, otherwise they create unrest. Then you could have the option to levy them as Evocatii if you are in dire straights.

[Aeneas Veneratio]

Sorry,that's a tablet for you. Correcting everything to the wrong word .

yes,that would be good. They transform the instant the reforms trigger depending on their experience. And you should be forced to disband legions after 25 years, otherwise they create unrest. Then you could have the option to levy them as Evocatii if you are in dire straights.

Rebuilding a legion every 25 turn seems excessive. The old veterans will leave the legion to enjoy their pensions, but their places will be filled by fresh recruits.

Legio XIII Gemina, for example, was active under the Late Republic (Gallic Wars and the Civil war), Augustus (Sextus Pompeius' rebellion in Sicily, Civil war against Mark Anthony, stationed in Illyricum after that and saw a lot of different actions in the following centuries under various Emperors - Last information of the legion is from 271, where it was relocated to Dacia Aureliana as the Dacia province was evacuated).

[Holger Danske]

Rebuilding a legion every 25 turn seems excessive. The old veterans will leave the legion to enjoy their pensions, but their places will be filled by fresh recruits.

Ideally CA will make it so that a year takes 4 turns. 100 turns is in no way excessive.

[torongill]

Ideally CA will make it so that a year takes 4 turns. 100 turns is in no way excessive.

With the rate battles are fought, no there will be no veterans to buy the farm

[Maklodes]

PLEASE make it this time around that you can get Lorica Segementa legions straight away. At least make us wait 20 years, or set some imperial reforms in which you can get the Lorica segementa. Because Marius and Julius Caesar's legions used Chainmail (the hamata) NOT the Segementa.

I'd rather make my own decisions about equipping my troops than have it follow a historical script. I'd like to look at the respective combat strengths and weaknesses of mail and laminar armor, including production costs, maintenance requirements, flexibility, protection, etc, and choose -- perhaps to go with laminar armor as soon as it's technologically feasible, or perhaps never to touch it and use mail throughout the whole game.

Although perhaps my favorite solution would be to use plated mail (e.g., the Polish bechter), combining the two approaches, but for some reason I don't think the Romans ever tried that, so that would probably have to be scrapped.

If TWR2 is going to follow historical scripting approach, though, having a sequence of old pre-Marian troops, then mailed legions, then laminar-armored legions would be a fine approach.

[Gandalfus]

Except the Segmentata didn't come until much later after the reforms.

[Gandalfus]

Who says it won't be more turns per year like Shogun 2?

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

PLEASE make it this time around that you can't get Lorica Segmentata legions straight away. At least make us wait 20 years, or set some imperial reforms in which you can get the Lorica segmentata. Because Marius and Julius Caesar's legions used Chainmail (the hamata) NOT the Segmentata

There should just be one type of post-marian legionary, which type of armor it wears should simple be dependant on technological development or infrastructure.

It was stupid in RTW that you could chose to recruit either Hastatii, Principes or Triarii, as the smart player would just build an army of triarii.

You surely must mean that the smart player went for Principes? Triarii were not at all optimal for the infantry based enemies Rome faced initially in the campaign and required same level of barracks as Praetorians...

First of all: The marian reforms are totally utopical. Some things may changed in the era of marius and sulla, but just a few hints what that was.

Second: Even when the Lorica Segmentata apears in the Legion, it was a phaenomen of the Northern Legions and it seems that they didn't used them on the east or south.

Wouldn't the increased blunt resistance of a non-flexible armor like a segmentata, be highly useful against eastern cataphracts? I guess the legionaries in the south didn't really need much armor at all, the Sahara was probably better left to be patrolled by the local auxillia.

[Gandalfus]

They used lamellar armour, especially towards the later period.

[oppaiO_O]

since we all ready know that the tech tree is gonna be there why not have the option to research all these types of armors and reforms and stuff??? i think this is what CA has in mind anyways

[Hannarr]

I would expect them to place it it a research tree. it makes the most sense that way.

[♠ Thomas Cochrane ♠]

Yep, as much as I think I'd hate it, we're most likely to see both the Marian Reforms AND the Lorica Segmentata as technologies, along with the Corvus aaanndd other stuff...

[Berry_Punch]

Yep, as much as I think I'd hate it, we're most likely to see both the Marian Reforms AND the Lorica Segmentata as technologies, along with the Corvus aaanndd other stuff...

And then we'll see post-marian legions with Lorica Segmentata take over Carthage in 200BC