US Army General in Afghanistan faces anal rape court martial.

**Heinz Guderian** · October 04, 2012, 03:31 AM

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...n-afghanistan/

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/28/us...-law.html?_r=0

AP Photo/U.S. Army

An Army brigadier general has been charged with forcible sodomy, inappropriate relationships, and possessing alcohol and pornography while serving as a senior commander in Afghanistan earlier this year.
Brig. Gen. Jeffrey Sinclair, a deputy commanding general of the 82nd Airborne Division, faces a possible court martial over the charges handed down Wednesday.
In May, Sinclair was sent home to the United States in the middle of his combat tour in Afghanistan, where he was serving in the southern Afghanistan province of Kandahar as the deputy commander of logistics and support for the 82nd Airborne

A news release by the Fort Bragg Public Affairs Office listed the charges presented against Sinclair as including “forcible sodomy, wrongful sexual conduct, attempted violation of an order, violations of regulations by wrongfully engaging in inappropriate relationships and misusing a government travel charge card, violating general orders by possessing alcohol and pornography while deployed, maltreatment of subordinates, filing fraudulent claims, engaging in conduct unbecoming an officer and a gentleman and engaging in conduct prejudicial to good order and discipline, or of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.”

Shocking news from the War on Terror.

The US General has been sent home from his tour of duty for these alleged crimes. Its astounding and unprecedented.

Equally shocking is that he is being charged with not doing little to stop the troops under his command from raping females while he himself was sodomising and raping. The number of men under his command I understand are about 5000 to 7000.

My questions are this:

1). When was the last time a serving US General abroad was charged with such srs offences?
2). Is this case a sign of the US Army becoming undone in Afghanistan? A breakdown in discipline from top to bottom?
3). Did the General "go native", with many members on these boards talking about "man-love-thursday" in Afghanistan, did the General get too caught up in the local culture and therefore started sodomising erybody?
4). What does it mean, when they said "he did little to stop his troops from raping", is rape a big problem in the US Army?
5). Could it be considered a "perk of the job"? Being a US General serving abroad could/should allow certain privileges, its a stressful environment, so should he be allowed to stick his dick in wherever or whomever he pleases?

**hellheaven1987** · October 04, 2012, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian

3). Did the General "go native", with many members on these boards talking about "man-love-thursday" in Afghanistan, did the General get too caught up in the local culture and therefore started sodomising erybody?

Man raping man is always a problem in military - in past, present and future, with or without man-love-Thursday.

**Condottiere 40K** · October 04, 2012, 04:14 AM

Seems an extreme way to get out of country early.

**Adar** · October 04, 2012, 04:16 AM

This is a classical example of how military bureaucracy cause issues. The alleged illegal pornography is actually highly sensitive information to better create an understanding of high level operatives in Al Qaida think and act (reference 1).

And obviously all the sodomy charges should be ignored as they were committed on a thursday.

**hellheaven1987** · October 04, 2012, 04:23 AM

I wonder, why pornography is banned in US military?

**Nevins** · October 04, 2012, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by hellheaven1987

I wonder, why pornography is banned in US military?

Because its a glaring security risk. People will click/transfer anything with naked people having sex in it.

2). Is this case a sign of the US Army becoming undone in Afghanistan? A breakdown in discipline from top to bottom?

Nope

4). What does it mean, when they said "he did little to stop his troops from raping", is rape a big problem in the US Army?

Its an ongoing issue, has been for years. The USMC Commandant just spent like a month touring around the world dealing with sexual harassment in the Corps.

**Lord Thesaurian** · October 04, 2012, 02:47 PM

Originally Posted by hellheaven1987

I wonder, why pornography is banned in US military?

Well, according to the official justification,

Pornography or related paraphernalia are materials that are grossly offensive to modesty, decency, or propriety, or
shock the moral senses because of its vulgar, filthy, or disgusting nature, or its tendency to incite lustful thoughts, and
which violates community standards. Pornography or related paraphernalia are also materials that appear to the prurient interests of a reasonable person

I would tend to agree that porn could affect military discipline or even the incidence of sexual crimes that are already at rather alarming levels. The men and women of the military face unparalleled danger and stress, so one might think it logical to allow primarily the men, in this case, to "let off steam," so to speak. However, it is precisely this hyper-masculine, high stress environment that could lead to dangerous addictions and psychological anomalies if access to hardcore pornography was permitted. To my knowledge, popular smut magazines like Playboy and Penthouse are accessible in chain stores located on military bases, but that loophole may have been closed.

Originally Posted by tco

Thankfully it seems to me that this will not effect our relation with the Afghans.

Right, because they love us so much, it would be a shame to let this incident damage our wonderful relationship.....

**Heinz Guderian** · October 04, 2012, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by Legio_Italica

I would tend to agree that porn could affect military discipline or even the incidence of sexual crimes that are already at rather alarming levels.

what you mean by "alarming levels"?

Also, are you saying that porn causes sex crimes?

**Lord Thesaurian** · October 04, 2012, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian

what you mean by "alarming levels"?

Also, are you saying that porn causes sex crimes?

Originally Posted by Jurisprudence Tom Cruise

I watch porn everyday and I never want to rape anybody.It has no effect on me apart from my vision and a sore wrist.
I would imagine being in the army is like Jail and loads of men doing what they are told all day in a dangerous location with set meals and the odd sex in the shower.?

No, I am saying that I would think the military department who is in charge of this sort of thing and banned porn probably has the personnel and expertise to know what they are talking about. I of course don't have that expertise to state definitively whether porn is or isn't in fact detrimental to military discipline, etc. I was merely guessing that, if one is constantly faced with tremendous stress or even near death experiences on a daily basis in a hyper-masculine, often very violent environment, and then engages in pornography as an outlet for stress and frustration, I wouldn't be surprised if the sum total is a bad combination. I'm no psychologist, but I would think such an array of factors might be conducive to serious addiction if not psychological trouble.

I quoted the Army source that claims porn is a detriment to a person's "moral senses." While I certainly haven't said that and it's probably not the case for the average person, again, the conditions of military life and active duty service are completely different, and I'm sure the Army has their reasons for banning it. I could personally care less who watches porn and who doesn't.

EDIT: By "alarming levels," I mean the seeming increase in reports of sexual assault on female soldiers, and the occasional bizarre case like this thread.

Originally Posted by tco

No,but it would have been a lot worse if it had been Afghan civilians. I mean our relationship is terrible, but this would cause a drop in our already little support. It would have gone from

to

Sexually assaulting Afghans? I'm not even sure conditions exist in which that would be possible.....

**The Noble Lord** · October 05, 2012, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by Legio_Italica

Sexually assaulting Afghans? I'm not even sure conditions exist in which that would be possible.....

Precisely, in this country you can't do that kind of thing. Pederasty do exist in the north mainly and it revolves around "Bacha bazi" or dancing boys and such practices. But the foreign troops sexually assaulting Afghans, it's unheard of and it never happens. Even Russians back in the 1980s couldn't do such things, they restrained themselves, and you know Russians and their conduct during the war (battle of Berlin 1945) and such. As for the officer in question, he shouldn't be judged and sentenced prematurely until all the facts are established. You have to understand it's very hard for the serving men and women over here, very hard!

**tco** · October 04, 2012, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Legio_Italica

Right, because they love us so much, it would be a shame to let this incident damage our wonderful relationship.....

No,but it would have been a lot worse if it had been Afghan civilians. I mean our relationship is terrible, but this would cause a drop in our already little support. It would have gone from

to

**Thorn777** · October 04, 2012, 04:29 AM

Hes actually just following in the foodsteps of Alexander The Great - sodomizing and fighting in Afghanistan. But in todays world, the people will be going anal about that sodomizing part.

We came a long way.

**boofhead** · October 04, 2012, 04:34 AM

Well, he looks like a Sodomite. Bring back phrenology when vetting military candidates.

**Phier** · October 04, 2012, 08:23 AM

Sadly from what I gather "sodomy" in US legal terms is any sex that not good old fashioned kind god intended. So bjs are legally "sodomy".

So without any knowledge of the man or the situation, I'm going with guy got a BJ from a female subordinate who then went fatal attraction and turned him in while telling them about his porn and booze.

**Heinz Guderian** · October 04, 2012, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Phier

So without any knowledge of the man or the situation, I'm going with guy got a BJ from a female subordinate who then went fatal attraction and turned him in while telling them about his porn and booze.

Ah, thats a nice story

*pats Phier

**Tyrone** · October 04, 2012, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Phier

So without any knowledge of the man or the situation, I'm going with guy got a BJ from a female subordinate who then went fatal attraction and turned him in while telling them about his porn and booze.

Actually I believe he has a basement full of shackled Afganis, and before going to bed each night he violently sodomizes them.

**Markas** · October 04, 2012, 08:36 AM

Guess this guy was setting his own timetable on the withdrawal...

**TheDarkKnight** · October 04, 2012, 08:46 AM

Is it weird that my first thought was that I wish this man had been a Commander instead of a General?

(Sorry, opportunities to make a Babylon 5 reference are rare)

**The Despondent Mind** · October 04, 2012, 08:54 AM

This doesn't really surprises me , i actually expected more cases like this .

**Pontifex Maximus** · October 04, 2012, 08:56 AM

I will defend the general by citing ancient Sparta and the kickass movie 300 in which it is clearly proven sodomy increases fighting prowess. Sodomy is, in many cases, why we are winning the war on terror.