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    Hello,

    Last night i was watching bladerunner again when i had the thought that maybe we are in a period of stagnation, it's set in the year 2019, as we quickly approach that very year i realised the film can no longer be described as a depiction of a possible future, it has to move into the realm of being an alternate future that can no longer become reality, at least definitely not by 2019, maybe a lot later.

    While i doubt that the people who made blade-runner in 1982 actually had hopes for flying cars, incredible super-structures, the design and manufacture from scratch of living, intelligent entities by 2019, i do find the time-frame interesting, a mere 40 years or so, why didn't they set it to 80 years? Or 150 years? Ok, perhaps i am being somewhat hair-brained here in my method of thought, but i'm hoping you understand what i'm getting at, did they have higher hopes for their near future than we do, as a result of a higher level of progress prior to 1982?

    you guys know a lot about history and can compare it to now, wheras i don't know much history, so what do you think, according to how you view history and what you know of it, are we beginning to stagnate? Entering a period of scientific decline? Or is progress still steadily moving forward at a fast rate?

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    George Orwell originally set his book Nineteen Eighty Four in 1948, the year he wrote it, but his editor said that was retarded and made him change it.

    Clearly no one said "Hey 2019 is stupid. How about 2419."

    Very few science fiction authors have accurately predicted the future. Verne was the best, he pretty much nailed the 20th century albeit from the perspective of a 19th century observer. Most people have no idea what they're talking about.

    Bladerunner is a good story, but it doesn't make sense as a realistic scenario. It's a fantasy film noir throwback.
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    I think progress is still happening, but as we discover the "major breakthroughs" there becomes less to discover... the Higgs Boson is pretty much the biggest discovery in the last 20 years or so, and compared to things like, I dunno, penicillin, it's not quite on the same level.

    That said, there are a lot of awesome things to come. Scientific advancement isn't dead just yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luminous Smurf View Post
    ....you guys know a lot about history and can compare it to now, wheras i don't know much history, so what do you think, according to how you view history and what you know of it, are we beginning to stagnate? Entering a period of scientific decline? Or is progress still steadily moving forward at a fast rate?
    Scientific progress is advancing at an ever increasing, logarithmic rate.

    Science is all about observing the physical world. But, what makes that observation possible? In the early days, Ooog the Discoverer, a little known primitive man who lived by the banks of the Euphrates river, was limited by his physical senses. Ooog was the discoverer of the now known fact that poop stinks, no matter where you smear it on yourself. While we have come to realize that this is only under certain common conditions, it remains true that Ooog was the first one to realize this and then share that information with others.

    Today, we have tools that reach beyond our physical senses. And, we're inventing even more powerful tools using those newly developed tools... And, with those, we will construct even more powerful tools of observation. Etc, etc.. We are no longer limited to just our primary senses and new tools increase our observational horizons.

    Science will continue to advance in a discipline until time, the rate of new discoveries, and the inavailability of new tools of observation force it to slow down or even halt. How much was known about the human brain and how it worked before the invention of the MRI? And, since the Functional MRI has been developed, how much more are we learning every single day? What about space? Cosmology? How much did we truly know about our Universe before the invention of the telescope? Very little was within our grasp and only those things that could be seen by the naked eye were truly available for inspection. Today, we can map the cosmic microwave background radiation that pervades our Universe and see, within it, the earliest structures of space-time fabric... That's a pretty big leap and we're still leaping even farther.

    No, science is not stagnating. If anything, it's exploding! While observation and experiment are the bread and butter of Science, Science is worth nothing if what is learned is not applied. Today, the Internet reaches a wider audience than any printed journal could have ever hoped to reach. Because of that, in part, the direct application of newly discovered scientific findings are being brought rapidly into the realm of application, where they may have languished in the realm of "new discoveries" for years. How long did it take for the discovery by a man in Egypt who discovered some of the wonderful qualities of light to reach England and help result in the creation of true microscopes? Centuries... Today, that information can cross the globe in seconds!
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    Amazing. How many of you were cognizant before the internet was widely available.?

    Arguably the biggest jump forward we've ever had and we're still making it better everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I WUB PUGS View Post
    Amazing. How many of you were cognizant before the internet was widely available.?
    I was. Sometimes I miss it, because I spend too much time on my damned PC.

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    Its just The Writers of the Time cannot read the Directions of Progress in the Future...Out Techology Advancements is Bursting...just in another ways people in the past was expecting...

    Back To The Futere: 3 years from now there will be Flying Cars. No Cellphones to be seen though...

    In 2001, even with Permanent Moonbase and Interplanetary Ships, people still use Typewriters...
    Yes in real-life we dont have Murderous Sentient Computers...but we have World-Wide Network of Computers that used to watch porn everywhere ...Is that not a progress?

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    Apparently quantum processor research has just gone from a read-only state to read-write states. It's predicted in just 10 years we'll have these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    Apparently quantum processor research has just gone from a read-only state to read-write states. It's predicted in just 10 years we'll have these.
    Porn at the speed of light.

    We are not really stagnating, but I think the information age has just brought to light how scientifically ignorant most people are. Before we didn't have to listen to them being ignorant and stupid, now they write blogs and youtube comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Porn at the speed of light.

    We are not really stagnating, but I think the information age has just brought to light how scientifically ignorant most people are. Before we didn't have to listen to them being ignorant and stupid, now they write blogs and youtube comments.
    People used to say things like "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything." and "Better to stay silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

    Apparently those rules don't apply when typing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    People used to say things like "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything." and "Better to stay silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

    Apparently those rules don't apply when typing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius Gothicus View Post
    No direct social sanctions to one's status or prestige, no real necessity to watch one's stupidness.
    Anonymity aside though, stupid is as stupid always was, though unfortunately now moderately intelligent people think reading a wiki article and then regurgitating it in such a way as to avoid being obvious plagiarism now makes them an expert on that subject.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boofhead View Post
    Apparently quantum processor research has just gone from a read-only state to read-write states. It's predicted in just 10 years we'll have these.
    I read an article in scientific american about that, they built one that woked (albeit at a VERY LOW efficiency) and it was 30 feet long ins ome lab somewhere.

    Also, good one phier. I'm not as scientifically knowledgeable as most people, but I try to stay informed. I could easily become a nuclear or particle physicist if I worked hard and put my mind to it, but people are stupid.

    It's like the rule politicians use to get thier message out and get support - voters are stupid. It's true and it works.

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    This sounds much more political than about science. It's not really realistic we will just forget our scientific knowledge.
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    The director of Blade Runner, Ridley Scott, makes films which are visually very beautiful and impressive, but they are not a fully thought out and precise characterization of the future, nor are they intended to be: see also Alien.
    The writer of the book on which the film is based: Do Androids dream of Electric Sheep?, Philip K Dick, wasn’t really predicting the future either. He was writing more about the confusions of human existence in the present. His present was dominated by the cold war so the book is located after WW3. A lot of science fiction is more allegory than prediction. Perhaps its appeal lies in the desire on the part of the reader to gain control over the present by knowing the future. A sad impossibility.

    In the past scientific and technological advances could be made by one gifted amateur: Darwin, Einstein, Newton.
    Now it takes entire teams of highly educated and expensively trained professionals.
    This results in less creativity and risk taking because people have careers to nurture.
    Progress is not slower – because there are so many more people working on it - but it is less creative.

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    Yup, look at the messy crap it is Prometheus. Read the following analisis. It made me ROLF.

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    Prometheus: An Archaeological Perspective (sort of).

    Opening scene:

    Chunky unconvincing CGI chap chases a departing ufo to the top of a hill. Drinks something the aliens left behind. Disintegrates into a nearby waterfall.
    Cut to the Isle of Skye:

    Archaeologist Noomi Rapace is excavating a crevice in a cave with a paintbrush. Shining a small torch into the crevice, she smiles, and tells her assistant to shout to Dr. Holloway, who is excavating a fair distance away down the hill. You can tell he’s an archaeologist, as opposed to another kind of doctor, because he is sieving soil. When his name is called, he instantly throws the sieve to the ground, and pounds up the hill to the cave. Because, as we all know, archaeology can be extraordinarily hard to catch.



    Go on. I dare you. . .


    Speed is of the essence. He is too slow however, as in the time it takes him to cover the distance, the crevice is now a large cavern, replete with cave paintings, which Noomi has already dated. They’re 35,000 years old. Possibly older. One bit shows a human figure pointing at some dots. It’s significant. They hold hands. Archaeologists are hot. Archaeology is cool.
    Cut to some more dots, but these are stars. There’s a spaceship. Inside the spaceship people are in suspended animation pods.

    A robot is checking the sleepers, a job which apparently requires him to wear a rather splendid sci-fi hat. We know he’s a robot, because it’s Michael Fassbender, the only actor who has been widely complimented for his acting in this film. He’s currently tuning into the thoughts of a sleeping Noomi Rapace who’s remembering witnessing a funeral by a river in India as a young girl, while her father gets on with a bit of archaeology. She asks questions about death in relation to her mother who is, apparently, dead. Dad tells her that dead people go somewhere beautiful, because that is what he chooses to believe. Is this supposed to foreshadow a deeply profound moment? Or are we being shown that Noomi will fall unquestioningly for any old flannel?

    Fassbender cycles around the spaceship, throwing basketballs into hoops and watching documentaries. You get a feel for the size of the spaceship, and his lonely existence within it. For a crew of less than twenty people, the financiers and engineers behind the expedition have sensibly decided that creating a space-ship the size of a cathedral would be a good idea. Presumably neglecting to install an off switch for a robot was just one of those costs they had to cut to make the whole thing possible. To pass the time he likes watching old films and learning languages. We like him. That’s even before all the humans wake up and prove to be barking mad or :wub:s. Or barking mad :wub:s.

    But wait – the balls on the pool table (yes, the pool table – what about it?) are all sliding over to one side by themselves – the destination threshold has been reached and the spaceship has, believe it not, put the brakes on at the last minute. Fassbender goes to the bridge, and fires up the computers to see what’s going on. Colourful displays shimmer into being – motion sensitive read-outs unfold and hover in front of him, their only goals in life are to provide him with information he needs, and to look great. Fassbender smiles, perhaps marveling at the possibility that one day in the not so distant future, all this glittering technology could be replaced by clattery keyboards, blinking LEDs and monochrome cathode ray tubes - almost like something out of a 70s horror movie. . .

    He goes to check on the humans to find that one of the pods is already empty. Following a trail of wet footsteps we discover the Charlize Theron character. She’s proving she’s well hard by showing us that all she has to do to recover from two years in suspended animation is some push ups in her wet bra and wet knickers. Charlize barks for a robe and asks Fassbender how long they’ve been in suspended animation – to which he replies “2 years, 4 months, 18 days, 36 hours, 15 minutes.” Hang on. Shouldn’t that be 2 years, 4 months, 19 days, 12 hours and 15 minutes then? Or does Fassbender count days in blocks of 48 hours? Whatever. Everyone else wakes up and is a bit groggy, or throws up. The pussies.

    The first duty of the captain is, naturally, to decorate the Christmas tree. Because it’s Christmas apparently. Charlize Theron reminds him that there is a mission briefing. He informs her that he has yet to have breakfast. He’s been asleep for two years, and decides to decorate a Christmas tree (while smoking a cigar in a closed environment) before he has breakfast. We realise that the crew selection procedure was yet another casualty of the cuts required to ensure that they had a sodding big spaceship (SBS from here on in).

    At the breakfast table a rather nice biologist (played by Raef Spall, son of Timothy) introduces himself to a grumpy geologist, who is very rude. Later on, he confirms he’s the geologist, by shouting “I’m a geologist, I ing love rocks!” as if that was the most pressing point that needed explaining. But we’re getting ahead of ourselves. The current point that needs explaining is the implication that these two crew members have managed to make it this far without actually meeting each other, and are plainly incompatible. It seems that at least one part of the crew selection procedure took the form of a raffle at an :wub: convention.
    Cut to Mission Briefing.

    The crew is gathered. Two of the chaps at the front are betting that it’s a terraforming expedition. Apparently they don’t know why they’re here either. You’d think they’d shown a little curiosity when, for instance, they were packing and saying goodbye to their loved ones. Or climbing on board the SBS. Or going into suspended animation. But no.

    “Where are you going darling?”
    “Ha ha. knows. I imagine I’ll find out sooner or later. Or not. Who cares?”
    “When are you coming back?
    “Ha ha. I’m coming back?”

    Charlize Theron walks in, says hello to the people she hired personally, and then introduces herself to everyone else. Seriously? They hadn’t done the meet and greet before they got on board the SBS? Ok. Fine. Just leave it then. As Theron says; “On with the show.”

    Big hologram scene – Guy Pierce hobbles on stage covered in unconvincing terribly old man prosthetics, and introduces himself as Peter Wayland (rumour suggests the possibility of Guy playing a younger version of himself in a preprequel – hence the make-up. If you see Guy, tell him. It’s only fair). He tells us that by the time the crew are watching this hologram, he’ll be dead. Possibly of latex poisoning.

    He’s evidently a hardcore scientist – his company do terraforming, build Fassbender units and ing big spaceships. He tells us Fassbender is the closest thing he has to a son, that he’s immortal but can never appreciate it because he hasn’t got a soul. Oh, one of those hardcore scientists. Anyway. He introduces the archaeologists, Noomi Rapace, and Dr. Holloway (incidentally, the reason I’m using the actor’s character name and not his real name, is that throughout the whole film I thought it was the English actor Tom Hardy doing a dodgy American accent, and not the American actor Logan Marshall-Green, who is easily mistaken for Tom Hardy doing a dodgy American accent. As things are complicated enough, I’m sticking with Dr. Holland). Anyway, anyway. The old Guy Pierce hologram also decides to choose this moment to tell the crew that the archaeologists are now in charge (I’m now guessing the selection procedure was his baby) because he thinks they can supply him with the answer to that old mystery, where did we come from, and where do we go? Questions, ironically, that demand a basic level of curiosity that his crew completely fail to display. They don’t even know each other’s names. Or what they’re doing on the SBS.

    Dr. Holloway finally shows them why they’re here (not that anyone’s interested).

    He flips up a hologram, showing artefacts from ancient cultures all over the world – Sumerian, Egyptian, Mayan, Babylonian, and so on. They are either stelae or plaques, and they all depict the same thing: a giant figure pointing at some beans (actually, he probably said beams) in the sky. He explains that none of these cultures had ever met, being separated by geography or time or both. But they all repeated the same image. Furthermore, the only ‘galactic configuration’ that matched the pattern of beans that was so far from Earth, that there was no way these ancient civilisations could possibly have known about it.

    Ok, let Holloway have the galactic faux pas – he’s an archaeologist, not an astronomer. But we already know they’ve taken two years to get here. And the nearest star to Earth (ok, second nearest) is Proxima Centauri, at 4.2 light years away. So either he’s talking complete bollocks, in which case you’d think the navigator (if they had one) would correct him (if he could bring himself to be interested) or to get here they had to travel at several times the speed of light, and therefore have broken a fundamental Universal constant. If it was the first explanation then it would be plainly visible (even though there’s no such thing) and if it was the second then A) How did they find it themselves? And B) Isn’t the ability to travel faster than the speed of light the real story here?

    Anyway. He then he tells them that the ‘galactic configuration’ has a sun. Aren’t galaxies largely composed of suns? It doesn’t matter. At this point even some of the cast are yawning. And that sun has a planet, which has a moon, which is capable of sustaining life. At which point Grumpy Geologist says;

    “So we’re here because of a map you two kids found in a cave?”

    Noomi and Holloway respond to this unexpected curiosity. One says “Yes.” the other says “No.”

    Great. But then Noomi expands – she’s says it’s not a map, it’s an invitation. From creatures she calls the engineers. And what they engineered is our species. Nice Biologist implies that rejecting 300 years of evolutionary theory is somewhat mindblowing, rather than the contemptuous it plainly is, but he would, because he’s nice. When asked how she knows all this world shattering information is correct, she replies;

    “I don’t – it’s what I choose to believe.”

    Ah – right. Ok. That’s what her Dad said, remember? To shut her up when she asked awkward questions? It’s a classic. It’s right up there with ‘because.’ And because she’s surrounded by the least curious people in the galactic configuration, it’s fine. No one says anything boring like “You know, if you’d have said this before we signed up for this potentially fatal, mysterious mission, we might have thought twice” because they wouldn’t have thought twice. They’d have shrugged, and got on with it. Whatever ‘it’ was.

    Ok, well this is an already ridiculously long review, and we’re only 20 minutes into the film. Time to speed things up a bit. We’ve established that the reason the crew don’t ask pertinent questions is because the film would grind to a halt. We’ll flash through to some memorable moments.

    Obviously I’m just assuming anyone’s read this far. If you have, well done. Your stamina is the only reason I’m continuing. That and it’s raining outside.
    ///IMAGINED EARLY SCRIPT MEETING\\\

    Damon Lindelof “So we’ll have this crashed ship, and a load of people who don’t know each other, and there’ll be loads of unexplained things happening, and life-forms charging about the place, and it’ll be hyper-confusing. Like Lost, but in space.”

    Ridley “Lost. But in space. Hmmm. Lost. But in space. I like it. What shall we call it?”

    Damon Lindelof “Prometheus.”

    Ridley “Brilliant! But why? No, just brilliant! As long as it has lots of snappy informative dialogue.”

    Damon Lindelof ”I don’t really do that. I tend to just go with a baffling sequence of potentially interconnected events that looks as though it might be going somewhere, but isn’t. That way everybody on the internet can argue about it for ages. That’s the bit I like. People on the internet arguing about stuff for ages. I also love it when they say things like ‘don’t condemn it so quickly – this is maybe the first part of something bigger’. It makes me think ‘oh yeah. that could be it. Maybe I’ll write another one’ and then people will argue about that on the internet too. For ages. Because I like that.”

    Ridley ”People argue on the internet?”

    Damon Lindelof “They do. But there’s one thing I don’t think they’ve argued about on the internet yet?”

    Ridley “What?”

    Damon Lindelof “Intelligent Design vs Evolution. I don’t think that’s come up at all.”

    Ridley “Brilliant! Cut! Haha no! I mean. . . Action?”
    ///

    So they land the SBS on the planet. Moon. Whatever. After hitting the cloud layer the captain asks what the atmosphere is like. Fortunately for everyone on board, the reply isn’t “astoundingly ing corrosive.” They could have performed a spectrographic analysis from a safe distance, but whatever. I’m surprised he asked at all. He was probably in a hurry to see if it was snowing, what with it being Christmas and everything.

    So they land, after having found the alien spaceship by looking out of the window, and drive over to it in a secure looking all terrain vehicle, into which they could have all fitted comfortably. Instead of all fitting into it comfortably, however, two of them decide to ride over in space bikes, because if they hadn’t of done so, there’s no way they could have got separated from the main party. But before they get separated, they all go into the alien spacecraft. On discovering it has a breathable atmosphere, they all take their helmets off, because A) Who cares? and B) Nobody reads H.G. Wells any more. Then they chuck a few orbs in the air, which fly off and map the entire alien space craft, sending the data to the SBS where it is modelled as a 3D hologram. Not one of them suggests that it would have been a good idea to have done that before they strolled in and took their helmets off. It’s almost as if they don’t care.

    The ship is huge, and very alien. There’s alien things everywhere. Almost right away we see giant holograms of the Space Jockey from Alien running around the corridors, scaring the out of everyone. Ok, so now they want to know what the they’re doing here. There are hundreds of alien eggs too. No wait – they’re not alien eggs. They’re, um, Howitzer shells? I don’t know. There’s a bottle of green stuff too. They find some Space Jockey corpses, but before they can get well and truly stuck in, a massive storm descends – they have to get back to the SBS before they’re all trapped in the huge alien spaceship.

    Noomi grabs a Space Jockey head to take back with her. They leg it outside, to see that the big all terrain vehicle has already gone. They assume the others must have got bored already and buggered off without them, so they jump on the space bikes and go back to the SBS. But Grumpy Geologist and Nice Biologist haven’t taken the all terrain vehicle. They’re still inside the alien ship. Oh no! So where did the other vehicle go? Honestly, I have no idea. After some storm based/space bike shenanigans which utterly fail to produce any tension, the others make it back to the SBS. The captain half heartedly raises the matter of the missing men. But, you know, whatever.

    He contacts them though, possibly out of boredom. It’s Christmas, the Queen’s Speech may have been on. Perhaps he was trying to get out of doing the washing up. He tells them to stay put for the duration of the storm, which will blow out before morning. How he knows this is anyone’s guess – after all, he didn’t even see the storm coming, so perhaps he isn’t the most reliable of forecasters. But don’t worry. It’s not like anyone is likely to ask.

    At this point he suggests that Charlize Theron has come all the way out here for a shag. She denies this, so he asks her if she’s a robot. This is possibly a belated part of the crew selection procedure, or it’s some kind of futuristic Christmas based guessing game. Either way, it works for him, because to prove she’s not a robot or here for a shag, she robotically orders him to her room for a shag. This leaves the bridge unattended, but everything will probably be alright for the two guys trapped in an alien spaceship in a storm on an alien planet won’t it?

    Inside the alien spaceship Grumpy G and Nice B warm to each other, and start having a look around. Nice B notices some slime moving on the ground, which rapidly morphs into a snakey thing, a big, thick, snakey thing. He tries to pet it. Great time to get curious, Nice B. It kills both of them. I think. Nice B comes back later and tries to kill people, so perhaps it didn’t kill him. Or possibly it was the other one. knows.

    Back at the SBS Noomi has got the Space Jockey head out and sees if she can ‘trick’ it into being alive again. It sort of works, but the head explodes in a shower of green slime. Never mind, eh? Dr. Holloway has fallen into a depression because he can’t talk to his engineers. Because they’re dead. As an archaeologist, one would imagine that this situation would not be wholly unexpected. Anyway, he’s all glum, and Noomi tries to cheer him up, but it doesn’t work because he says something insensitive about creating life, and it turns out that she’s can’t have children, so now she’s upset, but they have a nice cuddle anyway. In the morning he has a bad case of red-eye. Seriously though, if you can’t be bothered to read H.G. Wells, you could at least listen to the Jeff Wayne album.

    So anyway. They go back to the alien spaceship and find the remains of Grumpy G and Nice B. Dr. Holloway’s red-eye gets worse, and Noomi has a sore tummy. More things happen, and when they get back to the SBS Noomi is three months pregnant and Dr. Holloway’s red-eye is so bad that Charlize Theron has to kill him with a flame-thrower.

    Noomi doesn’t want the baby, assuming that it’s probably an alien or something. She begs Fassbender to operate, but he says no-one here is qualified for that. Noomi, with the aid of a very advanced operating table, manages to do it herself – it’s a horrible scene, which involves a fat squid being born through c-section. The operating table quickly staples Noomi’s wound closed (yes, staples. Metal staples) and traps the squid.
    ///IMAGINED STAGE DIRECTIONS\\\

    Ridley: “You’ve just suffered the most intense emotional trauma a woman could possibly experience. You’ve also had the muscles in your abdominal wall severed and then crudely stapled together again. Honestly, in your condition taking a dump would be something of an adventure. So when you’re vigorously running around the place and jumping up and down, and wrestling enormous alien monsters, and running very hard across an alien landscape trying not to get rolled on by a large alien spaceship, and rappelling down a fifty foot drop, try to remember to say ‘ow’ a bit. No pressure. ”

    :: Noomi vigerously runs around the place and jumps up and down, and wrestles enormous alien monsters, and runs across an alien landscape trying not to get rolled on by a large alien spaceship, and rappels down a fifty foot drop::

    Ridley: “I said could you say ‘ow’ a bit?”

    Noomi: “You did? Oh yeah. ‘Ow’. Wait – did you want me to say ‘a bit.’ too? Or is that just inferred?”

    Ridley: “Briiliant! Cut!”
    ///

    So I’ve pretty much given the game away there. After an extended sequence of events we shall classify as ‘ happening’, everyone dies except for Noomi and Fassbender. A Space Jockey gets buggered in the face by Noomi’s fat squid baby, which has grown to gigantic proportions. Theron gets squashed by the rolling alien spaceship we all saw in the trailer. The SBS captain and his copilots took the decision to ram it as it was taking off, to prevent it from travelling to Earth and wiping out humanity. They destroy themselves and the SBS in the process. The captain, just before impact, tells his co-pilots to put their hands in the air – for a moment there is the possibility that he’s going to shout, Noddy Holder style, “It’s Chriiiiiiiiistmaaaaaas!”, but no. They none-the-less look animated and happy – they have, after all, just realised they’re getting out of this movie.

    Oh yes – I forgot – before that happens it turns out that terribly old Guy Pierce isn’t dead at all, but was hiding on the spaceship. Someone mumbles that they thought he was dead, before losing interest. It emerges that Charlize Theron is his daughter. Nobody cares.

    Noomi and Fassbender, (who is by now just a head, because that’s just what happens to robots in Alien movies), look for another ship to fly away in – not back to Earth, but in search of the engineers.

    Nobody is left to ask why. Nobody is left to care. They wouldn’t have done anyway.
    Postscript.

    After Fassbender and Noomi leave the party, we learn that the Space Jockey who got buggered in the face by Noomi’s giant fat squid baby has survived. In a dimly lit escape pod he writhes and jiggles on the floor. His chest bursts, and a cone shaped pointy thing like a gnomes hat thrusts out, followed by the rest of the creature. It takes to its feet, looking for all the world like a green, evil version of one of Santa’s Little Helpers. All that’s missing is a little bell on the end of his pointy head. We’re glad the captain isn’t here to see this. This is the anti-Christmas.
    It screams (naturally).
    We’re being told there is more to come.
    Hoorah.
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    Default Re: Are we stagnating or entering a period of decline?

    Yeah, so basically what we should remember is that Science Fiction like all fantasy sub-genres is mostly and is only as good as the writer.
    The Earth is inhabited by billions of idiots.
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    Default Re: Are we stagnating or entering a period of decline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    Yeah, so basically what we should remember is that Science Fiction like all fantasy sub-genres is mostly and is only as good as the writer.
    Gotta give Cameron some props, he brilliantly depicted 1995 virtually identical to 1991, making Terminator 2 the most accurately portrayed future in movie history.

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    Default Re: Are we stagnating or entering a period of decline?

    Bullseye my good friend. More often than not, sci-fi ofter creates unrealistic or impractical expectations, the real progress should not be hold against it, no matter how "hard" sci-fi it is. Remember, no one can tell the future.
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    Default Re: Are we stagnating or entering a period of decline?

    Of course we aren't stagnating or declining. I'm not sure what would make you think that. Every year we discover more knowledge than we have the year before. The problem is what is practical, what is useful, and what makes for a good story aren't always the same thing. Any metric you choose to really research (publishing of papers, new theories, numbers of scientists, etc) we end up with more and more knowledge by the second. We can't really do much to slow it down either. As long as people continue to be educated they will invariably continue to put X+Y together and those X's and Y's will continue to grow in magnitude and complexity as we discover more.

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