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    The upcoming parliamentary election in Georgia (on October 1) is a crucial test for Saakashvili's ruling party, that has come under increasing criticism for authoritarian actions and not living up to the democratic ideals professed by the Rose Revolution and embraced by the West. Saakashvili is facing a formidable opponent, billionaire Bidzina Ivanishvili, and his new political party, "Georgian Dream". It is speculated that Ivanishvili will be more inclined to restoring ties with Russia. A recent prison scandal, where prison guards were beating and raping inmates in the prisions, has rocked the country and really harmed Saakashvili's prospects. The country is gearing for a tight election, and given the history of civil unrest in Georgia, fingers are crossed that no such unrest will follow.

    Q&A: Parliamentary election in Georgia
    Relations with Russia and human rights are key issues in Georgia's most closely contested parliamentary election in years.

    Why does this election matter outside Georgia?

    It could decide whether President Mikheil Saakashvili's uncompromising policy towards Russia, with which Georgia fought a brief war in 2008, will continue or whether there will be a warming in bilateral relations.

    Surely Georgian presidential elections are the ones that really count?

    A few years ago, that was the case. However, the biggest group in the new parliament will, for the first time, appoint the prime minister, who will have new, expanded powers, most of which are now wielded by the president.

    Under constitutional amendments passed in 2010, this will happen in approximately one year's time, when Mr Saakashvili's second and final presidential term ends.

    There has been speculation that he may resurface as prime minister with his powers largely intact, should his backers win the parliamentary election.

    So who are the parties?

    Mr Saakashvili's United National Movement (UNM) party has dominated Georgian politics since he assumed the presidency in 2004.

    It has made a name for itself as a strongly pro-Western force for modernising reform that backs integration with Nato and the EU. Economically, it calls itself libertarian but regularly pursues policies that imply a strong role for the state.

    Its main rival is Georgian Dream, an opposition coalition led by billionaire Bidzina Ivanishvili. It brings together an array of ideologically diverse parties, and has benefited from greater resources and organisational capacity than past opposition movements that have taken on Mr Saakashvili.

    Mr Ivanishvili has said he supports Georgia's Westward foreign policy and eventual membership of Nato and the EU, but some in his coalition disagree with this.

    Several other parties are also contesting the election, with the Christian Democratic Movement and the Labour Party standing a good chance of winning a few seats.

    Should we expect to see Mr Ivanishvili in the new parliament?

    No because he is not running for a seat. President Saakashvili stripped him of Georgian citizenship in October 2011 after it emerged that he had become a citizen of France.

    In June 2012, amendments were made to the electoral code to allow Mr Ivanishvili to stand but he says he will not make use of them, demanding full restoration of his Georgian citizenship.

    Clean campaign?

    Tense and deeply polarised, on the whole, with the main parties both essentially casting the poll as a choice between good and evil.

    UNM sought to paint Georgian Dream as pro-Russian and highlighted anti-Western remarks by some of its members. President Saakashvili and his allies frequently suggested Georgian Dream was part of a Russian plot to undermine Georgia's unity and bring it back into the Kremlin's orbit.

    Mr Ivanishvili dismissed such claims and adamantly denied charges of doing the Kremlin's bidding or having any links to the Russian authorities.

    He and his party sought to portray Mr Saakashvili's government as a dictatorial regime that had brought the country to the brink of ruin. They also routinely complained about what they called unfair treatment and harassment by the authorities, pointing to numerous administrative and financial obstacles.

    Mr Ivanishvili warned of protests if the poll was rigged, at one point even suggesting President Saakashvili might face Libyan ruler Muammar Gaddafi's fate in such a case.

    When videos emerged late in the campaign showing inmates being tortured in a Tbilisi prison, protesters took to the streets and anti-government sentiment rose.

    The authorities responded with a barrage of video clips to suggest a Georgian Dream victory would encourage organised crime.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19750529

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    More than any national election since 1990, the Georgian parliamentary election to be held on October 1 is a potential major turning point in the country’s history.

    At one level, the election is a naked struggle for power in which President Mikheil Saakashvili’s embattled United National Movement (ENM) has resorted to increasingly desperate measures to neutralize the threat posed by the opposition Georgian Dream bloc headed by billionaire philanthropist Bidzina Ivanishvili.

    But it is also, as Thomas de Waal pointed out in a recent interview, a referendum on the relative credentials and credibility of Ivanishvili and the ENM.

    According to de Waal the poll also represents an opportunity for Georgians to demonstrate their commitment to democratization. He maintains that it offers them a chance to break free from the lingering Soviet-era mindset that opts to play safe by voting for the ruling party.

    If this happens, it could bring about Georgia’s first-ever post-Soviet peaceful and constitutional transition of power.

    A total of 14 parties and two blocs have registered to compete for 150 parliamentary mandates (77 under the proportional party-list system and 73 in single-mandate constituencies ).

    Three opposition parties – United Georgia, Georgia’s Path, and the Greens – opted not to run against Georgian Dream.

    The general consensus among observers is that, apart from the ENM and Georgian Dream, only the Christian Democrats bloc and possibly the New Rightists and the populist Labor Party stand a chance of winning parliamentary representation.

    For the first time since Saakashvili’s advent to power as a result of the November 2003 Rose Revolution, and despite the passage last year of a new election law that tips the odds in its favor, the ENM is facing the prospect of forfeiting power.

    That possibility is all the more alarming in light of the passage in 2010 of a new constitution that transfers many of the presidential prerogatives to the prime minister, effectively reducing the president to a figurehead.

    Consequently, the party that controls parliament gets to appoint the country’s most powerful official.

    'Intense' Reprisals

    Saakashvili’s second and final term expires in January 2013. It is not yet known who the ENM will select as its candidate in the ballot for his successor, or indeed in what capacity Saakashvili intends to continue his participation in politics.

    Even before campaigning officially began, the authorities sought ways to minimize the influence of Ivanishvili, who entered national politics less than a year ago, affirming his intention to win this year’s election and become prime minister.

    They slapped multi-million dollar fines on Georgian Dream for imputed violations of legislation on party funding, a move that led a visiting Parliamentary Assembly delegation from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) to deplore what it termed the “selective” imposition of “disproportionate” and “harsh” penalties “without clear or transparent guidelines.”

    The authorities also confiscated thousands of satellite dishes imported by the Maestro TV channel on the grounds that Maestro planned to distribute them free-of-charge as part of a clandestine deal with companies Ivanishvili owns in what the Prosecutor-General’s office termed an attempt at vote-buying.

    The NGO This Affects You Too responded with a strongly-worded statement that characterized the reprisals against Georgian Dream as “unprecedented in their intensity and scale” and accused the ENM of showing no interest in creating a “level playing field” for parties participating in the election.

    EU, OSCE Concerns

    Nonetheless, Saakashvili continued to affirm that the election will be “the freest and most transparent in Georgia’s post-independence history.”

    Predictably, the election campaign has been, according to the OSCE, increasingly “polarized,” “confrontational and rough,” with the focus at times “on the advantages of incumbency, on the one hand, and private financial resources, on the other, rather than on concrete political platforms.”

    The European Union has expressed similar concern, stressing that “elections should be first of all about political programs and ideas.”

    The ideological component of the campaign has been largely confined to the ENM’s implausible portrayal of Georgian Dream as Russian-funded and Moscow’s stalking horse (even though its campaign program lists NATO and EU membership as strategic objectives).

    A poll conducted in August by the National Democratic Institute (NDI) registered 37 percent support for the ENM, and 12 percent for Georgian Dream, and 3 percent for the Christian Democratic Movement (CDM). Twenty-one percent of respondents were unwilling to reveal who they would vote for, and a further 22 percent were undecided.

    To what extent last week’s revelations, apparently orchestrated by Georgian Dream, of widespread abuse and torture in Georgian prisons have changed that ratio is an open question.

    The authorities have hit back, implicating former Minister for Conflict Resolution Goga Khaindrava in dubious ties with Georgian criminal groups operating in France and airing video clips showing prominent members of Georgian Dream badmouthing each other or apparently discussing how to buy votes.

    Khaindrava had publicly declared that the prison abuse videos herald the demise of the ENM as a political force.

    Citing the NDI’s figure of 43 percent of respondents whose preference remains unclear, de Waal predicted that Georgian Dream would garner 45 percent of the party list vote, the ENM 40 percent, and the CDM 10 percent.

    Given the advantages the authorities enjoy in single-mandate constituencies, the ENM could thus end up with upwards of 80 mandates. Compared with their present 119, this would be a loss of one third. On the other hand, only 40 percent of parliamentarians are required to endorse the proposed candidate for prime minister.

    Ivanishvili told a Georgian journalist in early August that his worst case scenario would be to win 40 percent of the 150 seats, and he fully anticipates winning between two-thirds and three-quarters.

    In an editorial published in the “Wall Street Journal,” he was more cautious, saying Georgian Dream is “in a dead heat with the government.”

    How Ivanishvili -- and his supporters -- would react in the event that the official results give them less than 40 percent of the parliamentary mandates is not clear.

    Peaceful protests -- taking to the streets en masse -- are unlikely to have any effect; violence would play into the hands of the ENM insofar as Saakashvili would probably conflate it with a Russian conspiracy to overthrow the legitimately elected parliament.

    Ivanishvili’s own political future in the event of defeat is unclear. He is not running for election, having been stripped of his Georgian citizenship last October and publicly spurned the constitutional loophole created to enable citizens of EU member states who have lived in Georgia for 10 years to stand for public office.

    It is similarly uncertain whether and for how long the Georgian Dream coalition could survive as a united minority parliament faction.

    Georgian Dream's six members -- Democratic Georgia, the Conservative Party, the Republican Party, Industry Will Save Georgia, Our Georgia-Free Democrats, and the National Forum -- have diverging ideologies and priorities that they have set aside for tactical reasons with the single overriding objective of bringing about regime change.


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    I'm voting Nathan Deal again

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    Wow, impressive amount of conspiracy theories.


    I don't get the opposition party though. Georgian Dream is supposed to represent what exactly? A Russian plot?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Illusionist View Post
    Wow, impressive amount of conspiracy theories.


    I don't get the opposition party though. Georgian Dream is supposed to represent what exactly? A Russian plot?
    That's how Saakashvili wants to portray it, but in reality they have rather similar foreign policy agendas. Though Georgian Dream may be a bit more inclined to repair relations with Russia.
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    Well,megalomaniac Saakashvili on the one side and he is becoming crazier and crazier(and to be honest,he's never been acting sane since 2007 or so maybe) with his open threats like "Vote me out and you'll face consequences","Choose between progress,Europe and the dark 90s" etc and this is accompanied by widespread harassment of opposition activists and potential opposition voters and Post Soviet style billionaire who views the post of prime minister/president as if it were a divine creation intended specifically for him and his party or more correctly an electoral bloc is a loose alliance of various political parties with totally different political ideologies... Despite this,I still plan to vote for the GD,not because I like them,in fact I dislike them,but because they are the only real alternative and not a bloc party like the CDM,NDP,Labour or the New Right(and connections of these parties with the government are almost obvious,considering their unanimous support of, for example,the decision that banned all photo-video cameras from voting stations,facts of the government forcing public sector employees to attend... Christian-democrat rallies,their participation in clearly staged debates with the government members,etc)

    As for the general situation,well,it's more like a calm before the storm rather than an ordinary pre-election day,despite the fact that election campaigns are already ended officially,the ruling party unofficially and contrary to the law is still continuing conduction electoral campaign and as you can guess,there is no one to stop them and a large scale electoral fraud is widely anticipated.

    Whatever it is,while I am voting for the opposition,I am mostly doing it in hopes of achieving at least some positive changes,but unfortunately,these hopes in my are rather faint,although bigger than the faith I have in the current Georgian government.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Illusionist View Post
    Wow, impressive amount of conspiracy theories.


    I don't get the opposition party though. Georgian Dream is supposed to represent what exactly? A Russian plot?
    According to Saakashvili,yes,but if we believe him,then everyone and everything not supporting him is a Russian spy and feed on FSB money
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    Quote Originally Posted by Armchair Revolutionary View Post
    A Russian plot?
    No!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CeRcVa View Post
    No!
    Impressive necropost.
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    Thats also important for Armenia I suppose, they don't have much friends around of them, Georgia restored as a Russian satellite would be good for them(thats why you interested in that issue right ?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tureuki View Post
    Thats also important for Armenia I suppose, they don't have much friends around of them, Georgia restored as a Russian satellite would be good for them(thats why you interested in that issue right ?)
    Armenia has good relations with Georgia actually. Sure we don't have aligned strategic goals, but we still have good relations. Armenia even gave Georgia's Saakashvili a Medal of Honor right after the Georgian war with Russia which really angered Russia. Of course, if Georgia was strategically tied with Russia, it would make our lives easier.
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    Breaking News

    Opposition ahead on Georgia legislatives exit-polls. Georgian Dream – 51% Ruling United National Mouvement – 41% (IMEDI TV REUTERS)

    Very surprising I must say. Let's see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    Breaking News

    Opposition ahead on Georgia legislatives exit-polls. Georgian Dream – 51% Ruling United National Mouvement – 41% (IMEDI TV REUTERS)

    Very surprising I must say. Let's see what happens.
    And at the same time foreign and opposition exit-polls report that Georgian Dream has around 60-70 % of votes,whatever is it's a total downfall for the UNM and Saakashvili. Losing majority in the parliament means that Misha's ambitions are ruined and he loses very important means of controlling the situation,for example declaring state of emergency needs 2/3 of the Parliament,the loss of parliamentary majority also means that he's open for impeachement and there are plenty of reasons to start Misha's impeachement... And what else? nothing,except that the fact remains,current Georgian government is ruined,unless they do what Yeltsin did in 1994.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salvatorel View Post
    And at the same time foreign and opposition exit-polls report that Georgian Dream has around 60-70 % of votes,whatever is it's a total downfall for the UNM and Saakashvili. Losing majority in the parliament means that Misha's ambitions are ruined and he loses very important means of controlling the situation,for example declaring state of emergency needs 2/3 of the Parliament,the loss of parliamentary majority also means that he's open for impeachement and there are plenty of reasons to start Misha's impeachement... And what else? nothing,except that the fact remains,current Georgian government is ruined,unless they do what Yeltsin did in 1994.
    Reuters had a breaking story that UNM was ahead, but then removed it. Is it possible though that UNM still gets majority of seats even if it loses popular vote? What's the chance of civil unrest, or you think this election will end smoothly. I just don't see UNM ceding power so willingly to the Dream.
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    TBILISI (Reuters) - Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili's ruling party claimed victory over the opposition Georgian Dream coalition in a parliamentary election on Monday, despite exit polls pointing to a close race.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    Reuters had a breaking story that UNM was ahead, but then removed it. Is it possible though that UNM still gets majority of seats even if it loses popular vote? What's the chance of civil unrest, or you think this election will end smoothly. I just don't see UNM ceding power so willingly to the Dream.
    Theoretically there is,since,according to the constitution half of the parliament must be concisted of those elected via party electoral lists and the second half are directly elected in individual electoral districts.
    But considering the exit-polls,UNM lost all electoral districts in Tbilisi,this,combined with MP mandates they'll gain via party electoral lists,leaves no place for confusion,without large scale electoral fraud the government is ruined and... in case of large scale electoral fraud they are still ruined,considering how radicalized most people around me are. Bad thing about possible civil unrest is that,it might pretty well degenerate into what's happening in Syria,but with an outcome more cloesly resembling Libya,with most of military defecting in the early days of conflict.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salvatorel View Post
    Theoretically there is,since,according to the constitution half of the parliament must be concisted of those elected via party electoral lists and the second half are directly elected in individual electoral districts.
    But considering the exit-polls,UNM lost all electoral districts in Tbilisi,this,combined with MP mandates they'll gain via party electoral lists,leaves no place for confusion,without large scale electoral fraud the government is ruined and... in case of large scale electoral fraud they are still ruined,considering how radicalized most people around me are. Bad thing about possible civil unrest is that,it might pretty well degenerate into what's happening in Syria,but with an outcome more cloesly resembling Libya,with most of military defecting in the early days of conflict.
    Well I hope there's a peaceful transition of power. That prison scandal though really helped the Dream Party. And to my knowledge, Georgia will turn into a Parliamentary Republic next year? So PM will have more power than President. I also wonder what this means for Georgia-Russian relations. I think the Dream Party will be more pragmatic on Russia, and not as sold out to the West as UPM is. Let's see what the official results say. All numbers I'm reading show Dream ahead by a substantial margin. Let's see what the election observers say also. They've been reporting some irregularities.
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    As you may now, the opposition party in Georgia won the elections and majority in Parliament. Saakashvili conceded. And it seems that the transition of power will go smoothly, something not often seen in Georgia where change in power in the government often resulted in civil unrest and civil war. While I dislike Saakashvili for many reasons, I must say his honest concession and attempt for a peaceful transition was a positive point.
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    Hop fully this can be a first step towards some sort of normalization between Georgia and RF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriVII View Post
    Hop fully this can be a first step towards some sort of normalization between Georgia and RF.
    I hope. Seems this new government may be a bit rational when it comes to Russia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Mov View Post
    As you may now, the opposition party in Georgia won the elections and majority in Parliament. Saakashvili conceded. And it seems that the transition of power will go smoothly, something not often seen in Georgia where change in power in the government often resulted in civil unrest and civil war. While I dislike Saakashvili for many reasons, I must say his honest concession and attempt for a peaceful transition was a positive point.
    Honest? UNM have already started threatening with the use of remaining presidential powers,like vetoing new cabinet,besides this,according to butchered Georgian constitution,president can still fire defence,interior and justice ministers whenever he wills,create constitutional crises with vetoing three consecutive cabinets proposed by the parliament and then appointing his own prime minister,who in turn needs approval of the parliament and this is nearly impossible if parliament is opposition dominated.

    So Saakashvili's concessions aren't as honest and sincere as they might seem to those,unfamiliar with Georgian political system,he still has enough powers to mess the things up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salvatorel View Post
    Honest? UNM have already started threatening with the use of remaining presidential powers,like vetoing new cabinet,besides this,according to butchered Georgian constitution,president can still fire defence,interior and justice ministers whenever he wills,create constitutional crises with vetoing three consecutive cabinets proposed by the parliament and then appointing his own prime minister,who in turn needs approval of the parliament and this is nearly impossible if parliament is opposition dominated.

    So Saakashvili's concessions aren't as honest and sincere as they might seem to those,unfamiliar with Georgian political system,he still has enough powers to mess the things up.
    You have a point (and better understand of Georgian politics than me). I guess maybe his concession is not as innocent as it may seem. One thing I don't understand is how Ivanishvili can become PM if he was stripped of his citizenship?
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