EB's future in the shadow of Rome II's engine

[Red_Devil]

As for your reply, aiborne guy, it reminds me of an argument with a girl, where three people were stating facts, giving arguments etc., while she just kept saying "it's not like that", "I disagree" etc.

lol

i do not doubt I'll enjoy Rome 2. I'm really looking forward for R2 to being released. every game has its flaws. On EB2 as on TWR2.
What counts is that the experience will be different in any case, and even if the M2TW engine is "old", any mod built on it is can be as entertaining as some more recent games you pay for.

Enjoy life as it is. Some people envy you a lot, i can assure you that...

[Coldfire88]

and even if the M2TW engine is "old", any mod built on it is can be as entertaining as some more recent games you pay for.

Even more in my case than games I paid for.

All this talk about R2 having an effect on EB2 is nonsense, Im thinking about not even buying it since every TW game before it was a disappointment and I still find myself playing Med2 for hours and hours.

It will have an effect in one thing though: if the Devs here start taking breaks to play the new game instead of finishing the last bits of EB2.. I find this bad.

[Sandor1983]

I played a lot with EB 1. For me the difference between EB 2 and rome 2 will be the following (as a history teacher). I would play rome 2 for a few months, becouse its graphics is awesome and sea battles mixed with land battles!!!. BUT after I will want to play a game with more historical accuracy, like EB2 for years.
I like fantasy style mods like Call of Warhammer or Third age, but if it comes to realism, i prefer accuracy, not better graphics.

I'm eagerly waiting the release of EB 2 and wish the best for the dev team

[airborne guy]

I played a lot with EB 1. For me the difference between EB 2 and rome 2 will be the following (as a history teacher). I would play rome 2 for a few months, becouse its graphics is awesome and sea battles mixed with land battles!!!. BUT after I will want to play a game with more historical accuracy, like EB2 for years.
I like fantasy style mods like Call of Warhammer or Third age, but if it comes to realism, i prefer accuracy, not better graphics.

I'm eagerly waiting the release of EB 2 and wish the best for the dev team

How do you know that R2 will not be historical????? Im sure that EB2 will be masterful once its completed, but as far as flaws. I would same time is the only flaw for EB2. If this does get completed, and there are a couple of bugs that people find... get ready for a firestorm cuz you guys have had tons of time to work on this without very many people complaining until I came along. And look at the forums... without me they would be dead lol, I have brought new life back to the EB2 forum. Now, thats a cool story

[General Sultan V]

NTW wasnt historical.
S2TW wasnt historical.
ETW wasnt historical.

Modern. graphics-focusing games cannot be historical nor accurate.


you want accurate, realistic & historical & addicting games? go for old games.

you want graphics, you got anything thats modern. i've tried both and I Still stick with old games for their superior levels of realism. accuracy. and the fact that they recreate actual history. R2 Wont' be historical. you may cheer around as much as you can over its trailers, fake and heavily-editted screenshots, descriptions and promises, etc but I've already seen all of that happen in previous TW games and they turn up to be the exact opposite.


heres a Trailer pic of "M2TW" by sega, Just Exampling. other than that you got the Rome: Total war 1 official trailer. compare it to the actual game.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[airborne guy]

NTW wasnt historical.
S2TW wasnt historical.
ETW wasnt historical.

Modern. graphics-focusing games cannot be historical nor accurate.


you want accurate, realistic & historical & addicting games? go for old games.

you want graphics, you got anything thats modern. i've tried both and I Still stick with old games for their superior levels of realism. accuracy. and the fact that they recreate actual history. R2 Wont' be historical. you may cheer around as much as you can over its trailers, fake and heavily-editted screenshots, descriptions and promises, etc but I've already seen all of that happen in previous TW games and they turn up to be the exact opposite.


heres a Trailer pic of "M2TW" by sega, Just Exampling. other than that you got the Rome: Total war 1 official trailer. compare it to the actual game.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I see what you mean, do you have a screen they made of RTW, too.

[General Sultan V]

I see what you mean, do you have a screen they made of RTW, too.

Trailer pics.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[Anna_Gein]

We all know R2 won't have as much details and in depth mechanics as EB or DLV (just to take two examples). So I don't think EB 2 will be eclipsed by the release of R2. Sure there will be some recent feature that would be nice to have but at the same time we don't have any idea some mechanics like ancillaries and trait will work if they are present at all in R2.

About graphics ... well who care ? A lot of us continue to play RTW M2TW with mod. Some even continue to play older title. M2TW graphics remain excellent despite their age and got the advantage to not be on warspace and thus are not suffering of warscape issue such as the units lack of weight or the randomize nature of battlefield.

[Sandor1983]

As I said: Rome 2 will be fun for short terms, EB 2 will be fun for long terms. For me: historical accuracy=fun. If you do not agree, some say that it's a free world...more or less
General Sultan V: nice pics You have the point

[Sandor1983]

General Sultan V: You have the point
nice pics by the way

[TLG]

Even if historical accuracy isn't as fun (which I disagree with anyway ) it's far more interesting. I've always found myself far more immersed in my EB campaigns than in any vanilla total war game so I don't think there's any debate about which one I'll be spending most time on

[CanOmer]

Europa Barbarorum 1.2 gives more fun than any other new Total War games to me. I look forward for EB2.

[praxton7]

Well with rome 2 showing only 8 factions now, i guess itll be only eb2 for me now(which i was looking forward to eb2 more anyway),...

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Just saw the Roman preview of RTWII, looks ok, but I know I'll be disappointed bring on EBII

[Coldfire88]

Just saw the Roman preview of RTWII, looks ok, but I know I'll be disappointed bring on EBII

Preview as in trailer?

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Preview as in trailer?

No the Roman faction preview http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Factions

[Dagda]

Problem is, the MTW2 engine inherently blows. Sieges are horrendously tedious and the game pretty much boils down to siege after siege.

The great thing about the Napolean/Shogun is the fact that it's much easier to engage in decisive open field battles and many other quality of life type issues that a MTW2 mod will never have. As rich in detail and history EB2 may be it will always be haunted by the fact that it's still MTW2.

That's assuming it will ever get relased. I really doubt I could go back to the MTW2 engine after playing the next Rome and the slew of inevitable modding that will go on then.

[Col. Tartleton]

Problem is, the MTW2 engine inherently blows. Sieges are horrendously tedious and the game pretty much boils down to siege after siege.

You mean like in Pre-Napoleonic warfare?

You do realize that's how wars were fought right? Raids and sieges with the rare decisive battle that determined the war?

The great thing about the Napolean/Shogun is the fact that it's much easier to engage in decisive open field battles and many other quality of life type issues that a MTW2 mod will never have. As rich in detail and history EB2 may be it will always be haunted by the fact that it's still MTW2.

Yeah, because that's how Napoleonic and Sengoku wars were fought. Europeans don't fight like that if they can help it. Have you ever seen Europe? It's all castles and fortified manors. Decades long indecisive conflicts over territory between feuding feudal lords over who is whose .

That's assuming it will ever get relased. I really doubt I could go back to the MTW2 engine after playing the next Rome and the slew of inevitable modding that will go on then.

Ideally, but given the last few games it's going to be fairly difficult for even the best modders to do anything more than superficial changes. Shogun II has a bunch of mod tools and not a lot is being done on that front currently because they're still not enough.

Whereas M2 is pretty much made to be modded at this point.

[Dagda]

You mean like in Pre-Napoleonic warfare?

You do realize that's how wars were fought right? Raids and sieges with the rare decisive battle that determined the war?

The point was MTW2 has horrible siege gameplay. And acting like MTW2 campaign meta-game is in any way historical is also funny though.

[Ataegina]

Like everything post M2TW, Rome 2 will have great graphics, no depth, no realism, and no replayability due to the lack of modding capabilities.

It will have a very fun initial campaign, but after that nothing.

I hope I am wrong, because if Rome 2 is as moddable as M2TW I will freak out (in a good way).

EBII will have a place for the same reason people, including myself, are still playing EBI years later after games like Nappy and Shogun 2 are out.

just want to say that i disagree about replayability, for me this will the the game that have more replayability since M2TW, because we've again different cultures and different factions. bigger scope. unlike previous 3 games by wich factions are barely distint either because are setting in the same "culture" like shogun 2 or etw-ntw where factions very much had the same standard's for their armies and such...

resuming i expect to have replayability since rome =/= carthage or celts, germanic tribes, greeks...