Does Damask Steel have permission from SS?

[Fedual]

Im curious, does Damask Steel have permission to use your mod? or are they just like hegemony ancrient wars. If they do is there an english version of their mod anywere?

they also use other material, here is a quote from one of their posts in the forum

*** In damask steel featured elements of these mods: "Rusichi: TW" , "Rus2" , "Renaissance: TW" , "The Third Age: Total War" , "Warhammer: TW" "Magyar Mod" , "RTJ 4" , "The Last Kingdom" , "Bellum Crucis" , 'War of the West " , "mod Lithuania - Baltic Crusades" , "Battle for the Baltic" , "Broken Crescent" , "Roman and Komnenian khwarazmian units" - a description of these mods, the authors, and their team, it is easy to find online, or at Sіchi, or TW-center. * Especially poshana and Pan podyaka SHREDDER 'in for his first-class models and textures for the mod "Fire and Sword", which got us some of the "Renaissance: TW", thus not avoiding involvement and attachment to the hand "Bulatke" crack modders komatozz '


(The above text was translated with google chrome)


Seems to me like they hijacked all of the best work from every mod out there and combined it, from a players p.o.v its a wet dream but i cant help to wonder... there is no way that they have permissions from everyone to use this data, am i right?

[Vissewalde rex de Gerzika]

Well, this is interesting, but im pretty sure this has been made without the other mods creators knowing of this.

Edit: i also come across this - http://empiretw.ru/board/index.php?s...7&st=0&start=0 from what i can understand(i know basic russian) it is a submod for SS that goes into depth for the russian factions, the work on the unit cards and faction banners(for the armies) is amazing! You must click on the seal that has TW on it to open(like spolers on this forum).

[Massive_attack]

Seems illegitimate.

But its on a russian site so we dont have any power over it. I guess we just kind of ostracize it and anyone involved and move on?

The SS submod they are making is cannibalized from other TWC and (total war italia) stuff too.

I mean yeah everything in there looks awesome and Id love to play it but they didnt make any of it, and really I would end up feeling better just playing some Bellum Crucis or SS, knowing that those mods havent been assembled by thieves.

But thats just me.

[Vissewalde rex de Gerzika]

The SS submod they are making is cannibalized from other TWC and (total war italia) stuff too.

I mean yeah everything in there looks awesome and Id love to play it but they didnt make any of it.

Wow, i at least thought that they had made this stuff themselves, if that was their work only i would say it would be fair game to steal from them, sinc they already have stolen the base mod(which is a lot more than some unit card and esthetic stuff) and configured it themselves without permission and so on, but wow. I guess they are out to combine all of the best from each mod. It does sound awesome, but if it really is illegitemeate(most likely it is), i dont support it.

[Fedual]

Well, this is interesting, but im pretty sure this has been made without the other mods creators knowing of this.

Edit: i also come across this - http://empiretw.ru/board/index.php?s...7&st=0&start=0 from what i can understand(i know basic russian) it is a submod for SS that goes into depth for the russian factions, the work on the unit cards and faction banners(for the armies) is amazing! You must click on the seal that has TW on it to open(like spolers on this forum).

Yep i already checked that out and it is pretty comprehensive and awesome looking, the fact that they took all the best modders have to offer makes it so good, and so wrong.
The site is mostly known to us non russians as the home of Call of Warhammer. I found the site when i downloaded my Call of Warhammer, before i found the much easier and faster installation that already came preconfigured in english from Gigantus. RodG 1.5 - Easy and painfree Installation.

im happy to have started an interesting topic here

Regards, Fedual

[Massive_attack]

Even if they did make it all themselves (they didnt by the way, what little looks original in there is, im fairly certain, taken from paintings and art books- regarding the portraits anyway) we still shouldn't think of stealing. That lowers us to their level. We're better than that. By all means use other peoples resources, just have proof that they okay'd it first, and make sure everyone's fine with it.

I mean it wouldn't bother me so much if I didnt know people poured heart and soul into these things in their own time instead of working or being with friends, you know? Its more than just some models and code.

[Strengelicher]

If it is stolen, I do not even want to see it. Strengelicher's wisdom and humour will not be available there, unless also stolen.

[yuezhi]

a russian mod...

[Gromovnik]

Yeah?

[Ichon]

Many of those mods listed have made available all or at least portions of their work to other mods. Usually it is the actual artists who must be asked for permission- most units from BC for example can be used elsewhere but a couple artists did not want even with credit given, to see their work in other mods.

Personally I think that is legit though to actually track down every single work would be quite hard. Also the team that is involved with CoW has some very talented people who have contributed to other mods so it gets complicated if some mod denies permission then they can deny permission in return. For the most part though I haven't heard accusations of taking work without permission, in the long run it if it improves the game and the effort is made to not hurt anyone's feelings and obtain permission it seems ok to me. I've seen situations where someone who is known only by a screen name and e-mail is simply not responsive to questions after previously given permission for other mods to use their work. Most of the time if no response is given people take that as a no but a couple times the work was used anyway and just waited to see if there was on objection. Alot of modders that did work in 2008 might not even remember anymore after modding 2-3 games since then.

[Fedual]

Many of those mods listed have made available all or at least portions of their work to other mods. Usually it is the actual artists who must be asked for permission- most units from BC for example can be used elsewhere but a couple artists did not want even with credit given, to see their work in other mods.

Personally I think that is legit though to actually track down every single work would be quite hard. Also the team that is involved with CoW has some very talented people who have contributed to other mods so it gets complicated if some mod denies permission then they can deny permission in return. For the most part though I haven't heard accusations of taking work without permission, in the long run it if it improves the game and the effort is made to not hurt anyone's feelings and obtain permission it seems ok to me. I've seen situations where someone who is known only by a screen name and e-mail is simply not responsive to questions after previously given permission for other mods to use their work. Most of the time if no response is given people take that as a no but a couple times the work was used anyway and just waited to see if there was on objection. Alot of modders that did work in 2008 might not even remember anymore after modding 2-3 games since then.

But i was wondering if SS (i supposed that would be King Kong), gave permission for them to use SS as a base platform for their mod? Third age total war is also mentioned there, but that was not my quetion since SS plays such a big part of their mod i was more focused on that


Regards, Fedual

[Arana]

From the site empiretw.ru which published Damask Steel:

"Before starting the review, we Express our gratitude to all those
who created the model of Rusich - "Rusichi: TW" and the global fashion "Stainless Steel" (on the platform which was born «Bulat steel: TW»).

As well as people, teams, whose some practices used by us in the «Bulat steel: TW»:
"Magyar Mod", "Lithuania mod - Baltic Crusades", "Rus2", "RTJ 4", "The Last Kingdom", "Renaissance: TW", "Battle for the Baltic", "Broken Crescent", "Bellum Crucis", "The Third Age: Total War".


"Which began on June 25, 2011 altruistic development of the patch 6.5 under the Stainless Steel, have led to the fact that a new project was born."

Completely redesigned map of the world, scripts, balance, icons, descriptions, etc, fixed many bugs (mod is extremely stable). From the original SS nothing left, as far as I know. The majority of vanilla units replaced by the original model, is currently working on the final replacement. Is preparing to exit the version 2.0.

[Ichon]

Well they are giving credit to SS and it could be seen nearly as a submod though really I am not sure what are the rules for using SS outside of the SS forums though other mods have also used parts off SS as the base since SS is basically the largest mod of vanilla keeping many vanilla units etc.

[k/t]

SS is basically the largest mod of vanilla keeping many vanilla units etc.

Speaking of which, we need more historically accurate faction rosters. Perhaps we could send an emissary to War Of The West and Dominion Of The Sword and see if they have anything we could use.

[DeliCiousTZM]

Lets not stifle art with petty intellectual property talk.

[popovic]

To be honest, that Russian mod looks AWESOME.
If it is as good as it looks, imo, the makers of SS etc. should contact them, and GIVE them rights to use their material. If they didn`t give it out already.

[Sanderlicious]

Meh. As has already been stated, most of this stuff is open for use and those that aren't are difficult to recognize and gain permission to use.

Plus, what are we gonna do? Enact a legal injunction on their mod? Haha, that would be.... wait a minute, maybe their is something...

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[Vissewalde rex de Gerzika]

Thats a good one, have some rep sanderlicious!

[k/t]

Well, can we steal any of the work they did? If it's an improvement over what we have, I say let's grab it.

[Andytheplatypus]

Well, can we steal any of the work they did? If it's an improvement over what we have, I say let's grab it.

you could just download it and repost as your submod. granted you get permission