Saints & Heroes unit pack any use in MP?

**Useless** · September 16, 2012, 04:32 AM

i play only MP so is it worth adding this pack for MP?

If so, which units are useful?

thanks in advance.

**Sepelio** · September 16, 2012, 07:55 AM

The katana cav hero isnt too bad... most of them dont give a morale bonus to nearby units which sorta sucks.

**warphotographer** · September 16, 2012, 12:06 PM

Keep em vanilla. The heroes are already strong. The only reason you want to put some stats in your saint heroes is bec you want them to beat other heroes in 1v1 but that 1v1 rarely happens. Also dont send them at the frontline no matter how cool or honorable that sounds.. Rather have them behind meatshields so as to protect them rfom charge bonus besides they know how to maneuvre in the heat of the battle fairly good.

IMHO the usuful heroes are only the FF:

Hattori's ninja
heroines
tetsubo samurai
yoritomo bow cav
seigens sword master

Heroes that are hard to use

Matchlock saint
yari and katana cavalry saint
naginata samurai saint

**TheCrazyCat** · September 16, 2012, 12:15 PM

heroes suck in general, the melee cav heroesare probably the only onesyou should care about, maybe 1 attack upgrade for your yari cav hero but thats it.

**SturmChurro** · September 16, 2012, 01:11 PM

Not really. They are very expensive, and only a few are actually useful as units. The cavalry is great, but like I said very expensive. Better off not even using them.

**Useless** · September 16, 2012, 01:55 PM

ok thanks for your help and response!

**The Kestrel** · September 16, 2012, 02:43 PM

The heroes are actually quite strong in SMALL unit size. I was surprised when my cavalry was thoroughly between by the yari cav hero, who I normally overrun with succesive charges.
Yet another reason to hate small unit size...

**Thorien Kell** · September 19, 2012, 01:58 PM

Braver - told you : )

**TheCrazyCat** · September 20, 2012, 02:28 PM

heroes strong in small size? idk they all died to my guns. plus kestrel has like what? 57% win ratio? just pointing it out his overall performance can be questionable.

**Thorien Kell** · September 21, 2012, 02:10 PM

Win ratio stat can be tricky, chaos has win ratio of 54% I think and he is badass player ; ) Btw I have barely 68% too : ) - 60%+ of win when you grinding three avatars in the same time, from lvl 0 in MM, and love to experiment with the builds is not so strange. FotS especially ruined my stats and ladder rank but who cares? If I sticked to my first S2 avatar and grinded down MM noobs with buldozzer build I would have win ratio of well over 85% but that would be boring.

Now I have 73,5% win ratio of ranked battles but that doesn't write anywhere, still it looks better when enemy is checking your stats : ) 751/271 sound good. Very often ppl with win ratio way over mine found themselves easily defeated.

Anyway about heroes, I noticed same thing as kestrel myself. IDK for how much hero unit is exactly smaller in small unit size but it definitely should benefit them even if ratio stays the same (does it?) - they are more resilient in being overwhelmed and that's main danger with heroes.

**warphotographer** · September 23, 2012, 01:12 AM

@thorien how do you manqage to handle 3? haha what levels are they now? im having a hard time catching up at first i was using my fots then i trained my s2 and then when i came back people were fielding lotso f 150 range units FML. I only had 3 marines then and so expensive.

**TheCrazyCat** · September 21, 2012, 03:23 PM

chaos is only good in FOTS.

**Thorien Kell** · September 23, 2012, 02:38 AM

S2 1st, 10 silver - still probably strongest but screwed up DLC units, no good retainers (blademaster, word weary...)
S2 2nd, 9 bronze, badass DLC units (with replenish, taking them to every battle)
FotS 10 bronze

I mostly abandoned first cause my 2nd's army is almost equally efficient now (need 30-40 more tokens to round them up nicely)
second has more balanced troops, first has practically spear spam