Why Is It Not Ok To Offend Muslims...

[Sir Winston Churchill]

...but many Muslims seemingly make an effort to offend others?

For instance, when shows like South Park or Dutch comic strips make fun of them or their sacred prophet, they rally in arms. Protesting, rioting, issuing death threats, sometimes even carrying out death threats. Like as seen with the recent uprising over a horribly-done movie, it seems Muslims have no sense of humor and zero tolerance for any kind of criticism or gibe.

However, I have also seen a trend in some, more radical, Muslims to have no sense of offending others as well. Antisemitism seems to be a common trend, Sharia law is still considered a hotly debated issue and not suited for everyone and yet they still try to push it on others.

I don't understand how Muslims (now in case I have to, I want to point out I'm not attributing this to all Muslims) can claim to be a religion of peace and understanding when they do these sort of things. Do they actually think they are painting themselves in any positive color to the public? It seems to me Muslims have this mindset that they are more sacred and important than others, and while they are free from any sort of criticism, they can willfully stomp around on others for the tiniest of things.

[Chih]

You could just as well replace muslims with christians and say the same thing. There's radicals in all religions.

[Simon Cashmere]

You could just as well replace muslims with christians and say the same thing. There's radicals in all religions.

What a crock of bs. That's trying to drag other religions down to the low level of Islam. Only Islam's followers can be counted on to go bats- crazy as a result of *anything* happening they don't like.

When was the last time a rampaging christian mob rioted over a film or a cartoon, or people looted and burned embassies when Jesus Christ Superstar was screened?

Stop all this apologism, it is just so intellectually dishonest - such a snivelling collection of motherhood statements. Only a few bad apples....tiny minority of misunderstanders...all cultures and religions have their extremists....christians are just as bad...which is just such nonsense.

What we have never considered, that maybe the ordinary every day beliefs of Islam, are if we understood them, what we would consider to be extreme when compared to our own values, when we are not busy apologising or making excuses for them.

The debollocked west that is constantly bowing and scraping before Islam makes me sick. Grow a pair the lot of you and stand up to these people and say, you are bats--- f crazy, I don't respect your sick beliefs, your stupid religion, and I don't care if you go nuts as a result.

We make no apology for having freedoms and exercising them, and if you don't like it then tough. You do not ask our permission to live your own sick lives under Islam, full of hatred for gays, misogyny for women, forced marriage, underage marriage, brutal punishments for trivial offences, genital mutiliation and a culture of violence, centered around jihad that is the scourge of the whole planet. And the west needs no permission from Islam to exercise its rights in a free society, and there is nothing to apologise for. I'm going to have the government apologise because some clown made a film about Islam? What a crock.

[SuperTechmarine]

What a crock of bs. That's trying to drag other religions down to the low level of Islam. Only Islam's followers can be counted on to go bats- crazy as a result of *anything* happening they don't like.

When was the last time a rampaging christian mob rioted over a film or a cartoon, or people looted and burned embassies when Jesus Christ Superstar was screened?

Stop all this apologism, it is just so intellectually dishonest - such a snivelling collection of motherhood statements. Only a few bad apples....tiny minority of misunderstanders...all cultures and religions have their extremists....christians are just as bad...which is just such nonsense.

What we have never considered, that maybe the ordinary every day beliefs of Islam, are if we understood them, what we would consider to be extreme when compared to our own values, when we are not busy apologising or making excuses for them.

The debollocked west that is constantly bowing and scraping before Islam makes me sick. Grow a pair the lot of you and stand up to these people and say, you are bats--- f crazy, I don't respect your sick beliefs, your stupid religion, and I don't care if you go nuts as a result.

We make no apology for having freedoms and exercising them, and if you don't like it then tough. You do not ask our permission to live your own sick lives under Islam, full of hatred for gays, misogyny for women, forced marriage, underage marriage, brutal punishments for trivial offences, genital mutiliation and a culture of violence, centered around jihad that is the scourge of the whole planet. And the west needs no permission from Islam to exercise its rights in a free society, and there is nothing to apologise for. I'm going to have the government apologise because some clown made a film about Islam? What a crock.

READ IT.

[classical_hero]

You could just as well replace muslims with christians and say the same thing. There's radicals in all religions.

How many Christians rioted and killed people over The Life of Brian?

READ IT.

There are plenty of people who have read it and you can find it easily online and what it says makes for very interesting reading. Read Surat 9:5

[Claudius Gothicus]

How many Christians rioted and killed people over The Life of Brian?

Ok let's not get into the whole ''Christianity is a better religion because modern christians are peaceful'' argument because that would be absolutely fallacious.

The only reason why Christianity is ''under control'' is because centuries of Secularization and Rationalization have finally wrestled away political power and military power from the religious extremists, in most cases.

Puritanism, Religious Wars, The Inquisition, persecution of Heretics and other historical events should be enough evidence of what happens when you leave an Institution who aims at a total domination over it's ''subjects soul'' run rampant, unchecked and politically/legally apart.

[Prosaic Visitant]

READ IT.

And then one is told that one read a faulty translation, you're not a Muslim so you don't understand, you don't know the context, you just don't get it like I do etc.

[hellas1]

READ IT.

THIS is exactly the issue man!

Atheists will never believe in God unless God's grace is extended to them...they will always nullify God's existence.

I've met people who've seen ghosts, saw things move of their own accord, etc. and THEY believe in God and these intellectuals can't??? O.K.

If that's what it takes then I say "Bring it."
hellas1

[Aeneas Veneratio]

THIS is exactly the issue man!

Atheists will never believe in God unless God's grace is extended to them...they will always nullify God's existence.

I've met people who've seen ghosts, saw things move of their own accord, etc. and THEY believe in God and these intellectuals can't??? O.K.

If that's what it takes then I say "Bring it."
hellas1

Too bad, he is too weak to extend it to the rest of us....

In response to the notion presented in that image you quoted... You theists probably denounce a lot of polytheistic religions and mythologies without reading their written work.

[PointOfViewGun]

What a crock of bs. That's trying to drag other religions down to the low level of Islam. Only Islam's followers can be counted on to go bats- crazy as a result of *anything* happening they don't like.

When was the last time a rampaging christian mob rioted over a film or a cartoon, or people looted and burned embassies when Jesus Christ Superstar was screened?

Stop all this apologism, it is just so intellectually dishonest - such a snivelling collection of motherhood statements. Only a few bad apples....tiny minority of misunderstanders...all cultures and religions have their extremists....christians are just as bad...which is just such nonsense.

What we have never considered, that maybe the ordinary every day beliefs of Islam, are if we understood them, what we would consider to be extreme when compared to our own values, when we are not busy apologising or making excuses for them.

The debollocked west that is constantly bowing and scraping before Islam makes me sick. Grow a pair the lot of you and stand up to these people and say, you are bats--- f crazy, I don't respect your sick beliefs, your stupid religion, and I don't care if you go nuts as a result.

We make no apology for having freedoms and exercising them, and if you don't like it then tough. You do not ask our permission to live your own sick lives under Islam, full of hatred for gays, misogyny for women, forced marriage, underage marriage, brutal punishments for trivial offences, genital mutiliation and a culture of violence, centered around jihad that is the scourge of the whole planet. And the west needs no permission from Islam to exercise its rights in a free society, and there is nothing to apologise for. I'm going to have the government apologise because some clown made a film about Islam? What a crock.

When was the last time Christians have been aggressively targeted by a movie or cartoon in a world dominated by Muslims and Christian nations have been colonized, attacked or meddled with?

[Sir Winston Churchill]

When was the last time Christians have been aggressively targeted by a movie or cartoon in a world dominated by Muslims and Christian nations have been colonized, attacked or meddled with?

Oh great, the victim line again. IT DOESN'T GIVE JUSTIFICATION TO KILL PEOPLE.

And why the hell are Christians continuously being brought up? This isn't Christians vs. Muslims.

[Lazarus]

IT DOESN'T GIVE JUSTIFICATION TO KILL PEOPLE.

You're 100% right there, but the Muslims who kill are the very small minority as you've addressed - and their murderous tendencies are not a part of being a devout Muslim. However, they are often justified in their anger like their protests. Simon likes to trot out a whole bunch of examples of Muslims being aggressive for "no reason". Take it from me - at the very least with all his Australian examples, their anger is justified. Being Muslim in this country is not easy. Even most of his other examples they're more often then not provoked one way or another.

And why the hell are Christians continuously being brought up? This isn't Christians vs. Muslims.

Christians get brought up in these discussions because people like to pretend that Islam is the worst religion ever conceived. It's amazing but people actually need to be reminded that the way Muslims behave and react (both the extreme reactions and moderate reactions) are not unique qualities of Islam.

[PointOfViewGun]

Oh great, the victim line again. IT DOESN'T GIVE JUSTIFICATION TO KILL PEOPLE.

And why the hell are Christians continuously being brought up? This isn't Christians vs. Muslims.

I'd like you to answer my questions explicitly and take the time to learn a lesson:

Question #1: Where did I remotely justify their actions?

Question #2: Why would you bypass Chih and Simon Cashmere who initially made the Christian/Muslim comparison and attack me over it?

Lesson: Using capital letters doesn't make your point carry more weight. It usually makes your point idiotic. Learn this and cherish it.

You made this thread to understand the reason why Muslims behave in such a way. If you were more interested in a witch hunt please ignore my posts.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

When was the last time Christians have been aggressively targeted by a movie or cartoon in a world dominated by Muslims and Christian nations have been colonized, attacked or meddled with?

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

[PointOfViewGun]

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You might wanna read the question again...

[Jom]

What a crock of bs. That's trying to drag other religions down to the low level of Islam. Only Islam's followers can be counted on to go bats- crazy as a result of *anything* happening they don't like.

When was the last time a rampaging christian mob rioted over a film or a cartoon, or people looted and burned embassies when Jesus Christ Superstar was screened?

Stop all this apologism, it is just so intellectually dishonest - such a snivelling collection of motherhood statements. Only a few bad apples....tiny minority of misunderstanders...all cultures and religions have their extremists....christians are just as bad...which is just such nonsense.

What we have never considered, that maybe the ordinary every day beliefs of Islam, are if we understood them, what we would consider to be extreme when compared to our own values, when we are not busy apologising or making excuses for them.

The debollocked west that is constantly bowing and scraping before Islam makes me sick. Grow a pair the lot of you and stand up to these people and say, you are bats--- f crazy, I don't respect your sick beliefs, your stupid religion, and I don't care if you go nuts as a result.

We make no apology for having freedoms and exercising them, and if you don't like it then tough. You do not ask our permission to live your own sick lives under Islam, full of hatred for gays, misogyny for women, forced marriage, underage marriage, brutal punishments for trivial offences, genital mutiliation and a culture of violence, centered around jihad that is the scourge of the whole planet. And the west needs no permission from Islam to exercise its rights in a free society, and there is nothing to apologise for. I'm going to have the government apologise because some clown made a film about Islam? What a crock.

2 words: Piss Christ.

[Col. Tartleton]

2 words: Piss Christ.

In context it shouldn't have offended anyone. It wasn't the only statue in a container of assorted bodily fluids...

[Simon Cashmere]

2 words: Piss Christ.

Which at the time, the New York times did an editorial about how it was there to challenge the public, and was therefore apparently perfectly acceptable.

Fast forward to 2012, New York times does an editorial about how bad the Innocence of Muslims film is, and was not acceptable.

At the moment there is a satirical broadway play called the Book of Mormon. That's perfectly alright, don't have every dhimmi politician on the news saying how offensive it is to Mormons, how it's religious hatred, apologising for it. But imagine if it was called the Holy Koran and was a broadway play about Muslims? It would never happen - because one religion, and one religion only can be expected to use violence against things they do not like, and, are protected from the consequences of it by leaders in our community coming out and saying how deplorable whatever they are complaining about is. So it's like the Stockholm syndrome, the left has sympathy for those who are holding them to ransom from exercising freedoms, and makes excuses for the inexcusable. It's an f. film made by one obscure dude. Even if it was a major hollywood picture they didnt like, so what? They need to harden up and realise that they do not call the shots as to how free people in a free country exercise their rights under the constitution. And the White House became the mother of all dhimmis by trying to pressure Google to remove the video from Youtube. The White House, supposedly defenders of the Constitution, using the gravitas of the US government to try to strong arm a private corporation into removing a video trailer.

These US leaders should be saying, the film is free speech, deal with it. Not apologising for people in the free United States using their rights to be free.

Christians did not riot, and kill people as a result of that art work either. Other than people firing off letters to the editor, that was about it.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

New York Times editorial, 2 October 1999, on Andres Serrano’s Piss Christ -- a Jesus on the cross submerged in the artist’s urine— and Chris Ofili’s The Holy Virgin Mary, covered in elephant dung and pornographic images:

“To be sure, many citizens of conscience find parts of the Brooklyn exhibition repugnant, and it is understandable that many Roman Catholics would find Chris Ofili’s image of the Virgin Mary offensive. Others would agree with our colleague William Safire that while the Brooklyn Museum has a right to show what it likes, the administrators have been clumsy or needlessly provocative. Yet a Daily News poll shows that the majority of New Yorkers support the museum over Mayor Giuliani by a ratio of two to one. Those numbers show a broad-based support for New York’s role as the nation’s cultural capital. The people understand intuitively what Mr. Giuliani ignores for political gain. A museum is obliged to challenge the public as well as to placate it, or else the museum becomes a chamber of attractive ghosts, an institution completely disconnected from art in our time.

New York Times editorial, 12 September 2012:

[W]hoever made the film [alleged to have incited Libyan and Cairo embassy riots and murders] did true damage to the interests of the United States and its core principle of respecting all faiths..

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/a...ct_your_faith/

[Knight of Heaven]

You could just as well replace muslims with christians and say the same thing. There's radicals in all religions.

This imo, its not due not existing fanatics, in religions of this kind, but due to the nature of western and Muslim societies right now.
In modern Day in western societies to the contrary to most Muslim countries religion isnt the center of peoples lifes. At least for most people. You didnt see fanatic christians chasing and burning the houses of the Mounthy Python Members after they released the film" Life of brian " for instance.

Imo its much more a cultural shock then a religious matter, we in western countries " mostly" we understand and we live every day with the concept of freedom of speech even if we dont like things being said or shown. We can even manifest against it, but from that to atack embassies and burn them to the ground is quite a leap.
Off course there is the ocasional sociopath, now and then etc , but rarely do we see organized movements destroying embassies because a movie or a cartoon.
The exception of revolutions and such, but again its hardly because of some sort of media making fun of something we like...

For most of Muslim countries in wich the state law, and religious law are hardly distinct due to the practise of the sharia its understandable this kind of fanatism in its people. Say or making fun of the prophet is as criminal as someone murdering other people. When Women adultery is still a crime, punished by stoning to death is still in practise, means not being a good muslim is the same as not being a good citizen.
The stale status of the Muslim world on the civilizational level since the renaissance in the structure on their society is a well knowned fact to all Histórians, and Anthropologists and scholars on the matter.
A status also encoraged for a long time by the huge powers of the western world as well since that time no doubt about that. Its well how things are.

Regarding this specif issue, personaly i dont care or i dont even have an interest on the film released that mocks and makes fun of the prophet, but on the other hand i admit and realize their right to do such a film. In my opinion, if there is violence, it isnt because of the film at all thats for sure, its because they chose to react that way.

One example the fanatic christians or even any kind of Humam rights groups living on the western world could "easly" invade and burn to the ground the embassy of Iran for inumerous reasons, and belive me there is enough reasons to do it take your pick, yet they dont do it.
Not because some of them arent fanatics, but because they live in a diferent context.

[Lazarus]

Indeed, it's not ok to offend anyone who takes themselves as seriously as a radical does, though that same person will have little if any consideration at all for offending other people.

When people rally to the defense of Islam, it's usually when people make very serious, very bigoted blanket accusations, such as some of the threads we've seen here recently. When people go on the defensive though, you'll find a very select few will actually try to defend the actions of radicals. You can call a radical insane by any measure of the word for whatever it's worth. That isn't Islams (or any ideology for that matter) fault though - that's the individuals extremism.