RTRPE II (1.1 Patch Released!)

[z3n]

In scripts\show_me. the scripts traditionally should be placed in there. (other than campaign scripts which are usually located in the maps\campaign\your mods campaign.

As long as what's in the reform script is applicable to your mod. If it's buildings, settlements and such then you may want to double check if those are in your own mod or you will have to alter the commands to suit your own mod.

Could be something basic like

	declare_counter reform_message

	;;;;;;;;; Detect the reform conditions
	monitor_event I_TurnNumber > 88
		and Treasury < 20000
				
				console_command create_building Rome royal_barracks
				
		terminate_monitor
	end_monitor

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
;;;;;;;;; Wait for turn to end, then start reform REPEAT THIS FOR MULTIPLE/ALL FACTIONS EX //SELEUCID!
	monitor_event I_TurnNumber > 88
		and Treasury < 20000		
		and I_LocalFaction romans_julii
				console_command create_building Rome royal_barracks
				console_command control romans_julii
				console_command capture_settlement Rome
				console_command control romans_julii
			provoke_rebellion Rome
			set_counter reform_message 1
		terminate_monitor
	end_monitor

;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
	;;;;;;;;; Always Provoke a rebellion in Rome
	monitor_conditions I_SettlementOwner Rome = romans_julii
		and I_LocalFaction romans_julii
			provoke_rebellion Rome
		terminate_monitor
	end_monitor
	
	;;;;;;;;; Make sure the player doesn't get revolt message
	monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionIsLocal
		and I_CompareCounter reform_message = 2
			console_command clear_messages
			set_counter reform_message 0
		terminate_monitor
	end_monitor
	
	;;;;;;;;; Clear marius popup and Display reform message
	monitor_event FactionTurnStart FactionIsLocal
		and I_CompareCounter reform_message = 1
			console_command clear_messages
			console_command test_message disaster_fire
			set_counter reform_message 2
		terminate_monitor
	end_monitor

[ahowl11]

Okay I looked around at RTRVII's scripts and I see that if I wanted to do this that it would have to be located in a background script. I found some tutorials on scripting at totalwar.org, I will read through them to understand the terminology.

A lot it does not make sense do to the fact that I don't understand the terminology. Thank you Resef, and once I have a better understanding of scripting terminology I will send you a PM so that I can make sure I know what I am doing.

[ahowl11]

As Maraxus and I continue to work on Carthage's units I have decided to start researching the Hellenistic and Greek factions. Here are all the factions that will have Hellenistic troops:

Antigonid Kingdom
Seleucid Empire
Ptolemaic Empire
Epirus
Bactria
Bosporan Kingdom
Pontus
Greek Cities

In RTW there is a simple set up for the Phalangite Units:

Levy Pikemen, Phalanx Pikemen, Elite Phalanx unit

the Elite troops are:
Macedon: Royal Pikemen;
Seleucids: Silver Shield Pikemen;
Pontus: Bronze Shield Pikemen

There are so many different names for phalangites, I just need some clarity so I can sort out who's who in the phalangite world.

Here are the different names that I have come across

Agema
Argyraspides
Asthetairoi
Chalkaspides
Chrysaspides
Deuteroi
Leukaspides
Pantodapoi
Pezhetairoi
Pezoi (maybe same as Pezhetairoi?)
Katoikoi
Bottiaoi
Amphipolitai
Allied Phalangites

Then there are others:

Eastern Pikemen
Pontic Pikemen
Bronze Shields
Machimoi Pikemen
Cleruch Pikemen
Cleruch Agema
Thorakitai Pikemen
Iphicratean Pikemen
Perioeki Pikemen
Militia Phalanx
Epirote Pikemen
Tarentine Leukaspides

Now I'm sure that some of these are just Pikemen from their respective cultures, I am more concerned with the former list.

So could someone, kind of put the units in recruitment order and also to what factions they would belong to? It would help me immensely!

[Centurion0507]

I can help wiith the Seleucids and the Bactrians since those are the factions I mostly play as

Seleucid pike order: Persian pikemen, Chalkaspides/bronze shield pikes. Chrysaspides/gold shield pikes, Argyraspides/silver pikes

Bactriaersian pikemen, Pezoi, Agema

Egyptians/Ptolemaics: Machimoi Pikemen, Libyan Pikemen, Pezoi, Agema

Macedonians: Pezhetairoi, Asthetairoi

The persian pikes can only be recruited in the areas of the map that are classified as the middle east/india.


I'm not sure about the other names however

[ahowl11]

Thank you Centurion0507 that helps.

Just a news update for now, I hope to have some actual updates soon.

I am currently trying to implement the new map, and I am stuck on an errorless CTD with the pop up "Rome: Total War has stopped working". I have deleted the map.rwm and I have gone through the descr_strat a few times. Can't find anything to fix. If anybody has any advice or would like to test, let me know because I want to show the map off.
When it is available to view I will then edit the descr_strat assigning each region to the proper faction and I will also add in the textures and strat models that you got to see in the previews of the old map.

The adding of this map is a lot harder than it seems. Seeing as I am pulling and editing it from Fortuna Orbis, I have made a separate mod folder using vanilla aspects to get this map viewable. Once done, and set up to the way I want it, I can then add in the RTRPE faction names, units, family members etc. Many files have to be edited as the map is IMO the core of the game and mod, everything connects to it. Once the map is complete I will then be adding the rest of RTRPE to it along with the other new features. So do not be alarmed in a preview if you see vanilla banners, textures, or strat map models. It is a process

Also I am trying to implement DTW wooden walls. I feel as if I am close to doing that thanks to Aradan and Resef. Hopefully by the weekend they will be implemented and I can show some screens.

Finally, Maraxus is currently working on the Carthaginian roster. The preview will consist of the Civilian troops along with the elite sacred band.

Hopefully this gets you all up to speed on the mod, I need help with the map CTD's and I still am looking for info on the Phalangites and hellenistic armies.

P.S.
Special thanks to DekuTrash for featuring a RTRPE II preview in his TWN webcast!

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Seleukids; Katoikoi Phalangites/Pezhetairoi, Argyraspidai later Antiochos IV introduced a Chalksapidai unit possibly just as a display of his wealth and power to anyone watching.
Antigonids; Pezhetairoi, Asthetairoi, possibly could be called Chalkaspidai and Leukaspides but its difficult to tell whether these units actually existed in fact.
Ptolemies are another matter give their units different titles like klerouchoi phalangites, pezoi agema perhaps? the machichimoi should perhaps be a later initiative or used as a cost effective alternative with perhaps loyalty issues.

[ahowl11]

Okay well, here is my current set up:

Antigonids:

Deuteroi (Militia), Pezhetairoi (Main Line Troops), Chalkispides (Veterans), Asthetairoi (Elites)

Seleucids:

Pantodapoi (Militia), Pezhetairoi (Main Line Troops), Katoikoi (Veterans), Argyraspides (Elites)

Ptolemies:

Machimoi (Militia), Pezhetairoi (Main Line Troops), Kleruchoi (Veterans), Basilikon Agema (Elites)

Epirus:

Deuteroi (Militia), Pezhetairoi (Main Line Troops), Epirote Pezhetairoi (Veterans), Chaonian Agema (Elites)

Bactria:

Pantodapoi (Militia), Pezhetairoi (Main Line Troops), Katoikoi (Veterans), Bactrian Agema (Elites)

Pontus:
Pantodapoi (Militia), Pezhetairoi (Main Line Troops), Pontic Phalangites (Veterans), Chalkispides (Elites)

Bottiaoi
Amphipolitai
Allied Phalangites
Tarentine Leukaspides

The above troops I'm guessing could be AOR?

Pezoi - Could be a mercenary unit like in RTRPE?

What about Leukaspides and Chrysaspides? You say that they may not have existed? How so? Please edit the above set up to what you know was correct. I need militia troops all the way to elites.
Thanks Antiochos

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Kleruchoi and Katoikoi are essentially the same sort of thing Greeks and Makedonians encouraged to go and live in the respective kingdoms and given land to farm, then in the event of war the Basileus would call them up to fight in the phalanx. The Pezhetairoi are pretty much the same thing.

[ahowl11]

Okay, that is what I imagined, but they will have different names due to the factions. Unless I decide to give troops english names like Settler Phalangites etc.

Some questions though:
1.Do the Chalkispides seem like they are in the right order for Macedon and Pontus? To my knowledge, they were an elte veteran group for the Macedonians and THE elite for Pontus.

2. What do you think about the Epirote/Pontic Phalangites? I needed a unit to fill the void between main line troops and elites. Are the Epirotes/Pontics good enough or is there a better alternative?

3. I read that Leukaspides were a younger sub-division within the phalanx? Should they be included?

4. Also, troops like Asthetairoi. Were they phalangites or hypaspists/royal agema? Depending on what they were could help me switch the order around.

Thanks for your help

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Kleruchoi for Ptolemies, Katoikoi for Seleukids. I am in the middle of cooking dinner and decorating I will give you some proper answers perhaps later

[ahowl11]

Please do, thanks and happy decorating!

[ahowl11]

For Joar

[Joar]

Got them. Thanks!

[Cincinatus]

I can tell you some factions started using troops of either mixed lineage or of local lineage (native troops). Pontus probably hired more native troops than either Greek heritage or mixed ethnicity. Bactria fits in with some mixed and some native. Ptolemy, just before Raphia and in order to address the shortage of candidates with Greek heritage, switched to hiring a greater proportion of native troops. After Raphia this significant increase grows from about equal to a great many more native than Greek heritage.

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

About the Leukaspides Nicholas Sekunda beleives Livy (44.41.1-2) was refering to Thracians at Pydna in 168 these were carrying white Theureoi as these were described by Plutarch as being at the battle dressed in black with white sheilds(Plut .Aem. Paulus. 18.2)

[ahowl11]

So I am guessing that Leukaspides should not be included? I am fine with that. I wouldn't know where to put them haha.

What about Chrysaspides? CATW has them as Hypaspists and RTRPE has them as phalangites

[Antiokhos Euergetes]

Again same passage Livy (44.41.1-2) says that the Chalkaspides were on the right of the phalanx next to the Peltastai Polybios (2.65.2) describes the Chalkaspides at the battle of Sellasia and again he mentions them while describing Philips V campaigns(4.67.6)

[Joar]

Hi,

Here's the signature banners you've requested. Good luck with your mod!

[usmcsultan]

Please let us know as soon as the new units are ready.

[ahowl11]

There should be a preview of Carthaginian troops coming soon. Thanks Joar for the banners I will post them here when I can