Innocence of Muslims video-designed to kill Americans?
Mod, could you merge suitable posts from "Romney's Campaign Behind Innocence of Muslims Film? " with this thread?
I have been looking at the origins of this film. At first I wondered whether this was some kind of scam which was then picked up by Islamophobes to foment unrest. But then I saw this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1879195.html
The film is also linked to Steve KleinLOS ANGELES — The search for those behind the provocative, anti-Muslim film implicated in violent protests in Egypt and Libya led Wednesday to a California Coptic Christian convicted of financial crimes who acknowledged his role in managing and providing logistics for the production.
Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, told The Associated Press in an interview outside Los Angeles that he was manager for the company that produced "Innocence of Muslims," which mocked Muslims and the prophet Muhammad and may have caused inflamed mobs that attacked U.S. missions in Egypt and Libya. He provided the first details about a shadowy production group behind the film.
Nakoula denied he directed the film and said he knew the self-described filmmaker, Sam Bacile. But the cell phone number that AP contacted Tuesday to reach the filmmaker who identified himself as Sam Bacile traced to the same address near Los Angeles where AP found Nakoula. Federal court papers said Nakoula's aliases included Nicola Bacily, Erwin Salameh and others.
Nakoula told the AP that he was a Coptic Christian and said the film's director supported the concerns of Christian Copts about their treatment by Muslims.
Nakoula denied he had posed as Bacile. During a conversation outside his home, he offered his driver's license to show his identity but kept his thumb over his middle name, Basseley. Records checks by the AP subsequently found it and other connections to the Bacile persona.
The AP located Bacile after obtaining his cell phone number from Morris Sadek, a conservative Coptic Christian in the U.S. who had promoted the anti-Muslim film in recent days on his website. Egypt's Christian Coptic population has long decried what they describe as a history of discrimination and occasional violence from the country's Arab majority.
Pastor Terry Jones of Gainesville, Fla., who burned Qurans on the ninth anniversary of 9/11, said he spoke with the movie's director on the phone Wednesday and prayed for him. He said he has not met the filmmaker in person, but the man contacted him a few weeks ago about promoting the movie.
http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...l-name/262290/
His history in the counter-jihad movement can be found hereKlein told me that Bacile, the producer of the film, is not Israeli, and most likely not Jewish, as has been reported, and that the name is, in fact, a pseudonym. He said he did not know "Bacile"'s real name. He said Bacile contacted him because he leads anti-Islam protests outside of mosques and schools, and because, he said, he is a Vietnam veteran and an expert on uncovering al Qaeda cells in California. "After 9/11 I went out to look for terror cells in California and found them, piece of cake. Sam found out about me. The Middle East Christian and Jewish communities trust me."
He said the man who identified himself as Bacile asked him to help make the anti-Muhammad film. When I asked him to describe Bacile, he said: "I don't know that much about him. I met him, I spoke to him for an hour. He's not Israeli, no. I can tell you this for sure, the State of Israel is not involved, Terry Jones (the radical Christian Quran-burning pastor) is not involved. His name is a pseudonym. All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms. I doubt he's Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign."
I asked him who he thought Sam Bacile was. He said that there are about 15 people associated with the making of the film, "Nobody is anything but an active American citizen. They're from Syria, Turkey, Pakistan, they're some that are from Egypt. Some are Copts but the vast majority are Evangelical."
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2012/0...ce-of-muslims/
A person known as Klein features on Pam Geller's racist blog.
We now know that the actors involved were duped. The script made no reference to Mohammed, the offensive lined were dubbed after production (listen to the trailer and you will notice)
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...&utm_hp_ref=uk
The film was shown in any near empty theater one and then disappeared from the radar. It is clear that whatever the cost of the production, that the film was not produced for commercial profit or distribution in the US. Interest in the video only took off when Pastor Jones plugged the dubbed trailer and the Arab world only took note when an Egyptian station ran it, by which time someone added Arab subtitles so that the message would be clear enough.
Effectively this is like altering the Life of Brian, by changing Brian to Jesus, attacking Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church, and adding Russian subtitles before posting it on YouTube.
My view is that the video was designed to incite violence in the Middle East. If Sam Becile, who claimed to be a Jewish Israeli, backed by 100 Jews is found to be the Coptic Christian mentioned above, it would mean that the design was to pin the blame on American and Israeli Jews ( I do not rule out Zionist support for the video,material or otherwise). Given the gratuitous nature of the material, it is hard to see how it could not cause a seriously violent response and loss of life.
There is a difference between trolling someone's belief an actively harming the interests of America and other sovereign states. I fail to see how the film will benefit the wider and more sensible Christian community. My view is that such people and their Breivik-like supporters should be treated as a security risk.
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Originally Posted by Azoth
is still going down in the ME over it.
