What should going into 1st persion perspective do?

[Lockcaps]

Alright so we know that in Rome2, you will be able to go into a 1st/3rd person camera of a unit so you can watch the battle with their eyes. James Russel also mentioned in an interview that they want to give some sort of initiative for using this feature, without making it a direct stats boost.

So what should it do? Obviously giving them more morale/attack/defence is just boring and it will create a stupid "micro-element" that we don't need. I would like to see this:
1. You should be able to give orders to the unit you are watching.
2. They should respond abit quicker to these orders, and not stand around waiting to finish an enemy off etc.
3. You should also be able to use abit more advanced formations, like ordering the unit to try and surround the enemy. Although this might be too powerful.

What do you think?

[totalwar-zone]

I think its one more time one of these useless features that TW made in every new Title of the series. One gimmick that nobody needs although the series has other problems......

But to the opening post, i think it would be option one:

You should be able to give orders to the unit you are watching.

Did they not say anything about new features for Generals???

[Ariovist]

Just a graphical "thing", although i've read C.A. currently deciding, if the unit you're chosen gets a small morale boost while you're locked in this 1st person camera type.

[Wowwars]

"You should be able to give orders in that perspective."


you can do that when u press the delete key and go to your generals perspective.

[Aeneas Veneratio]

I think its one more time one of these useless features that TW made in every new Title of the series. One gimmick that nobody needs although the series has other problems......

It was a great feature in FOTS! I don't see, why a few people are trying to argue against it. Even a certain, quite vocal TWer (guess who) has tried to attack it at numerous occasions, only to be countered by a majority of people, who all liked the feature.

[sleepyx732]

It was a great feature in FOTS! I don't see, why a few people are trying to argue against it. Even a certain, quite vocal TWer (guess who) has tried to attack it at numerous occasions, only to be countered by a majority of people, who all liked the feature.

Because probably in their eyes.. until problems like broken AI that have persist since day one are fixed, they don't see much need for these features that will be only used once or twice by 90% of the games population.

[Aeneas Veneratio]

Because probably in their eyes.. until problems like broken AI that have persist since day one are fixed, they don't see much need for these features that will be only used once or twice by 90% of the games population.

I use it at any opportunity I can get (I can, for example, do a lot more damage "manually" with a gatling gun than the auto firing). A feature like this does not take away focus from the (broken) AI, it just adds another level of fun to the game.

@ComnenusTheOne, He111 and totalwar-zone.
It was a very enjoyable and useful feature for a lot of players, just ignore it, if you are not part of that group. "Manually" targeting could be the thing that changed the course of assumed losing battle, and that makes it a very useful tool to apply to the battlefield, if you are decent commander.

Quote: "One gimmick that nobody needs..."
Who made you the spokesperson for the players of this serie? Have you conducted any enquiries into the assumption that "nobody needs" it? Do you have poll backing up your claim? Or are you, by chance, just letting out steam in a presumptuous manner to gain a stronger validity to your claim?

[Rasic]

It's just a hotkey that allows you to have a fixed camera perspective on a single guy, right? Or am I missing something here.. I'm not sure what you would really expect this to do other than give you a better angle to watch battles close up.

[totalwar-zone]

It was a great feature in FOTS! I don't see, why a few people are trying to argue against it. Even a certain, quite vocal TWer (guess who) has tried to attack it at numerous occasions, only to be countered by a majority of people, who all liked the feature.

i understand that somebody like special new features like this one, but if i read this and other topics i see that my words are more than right with most in TW players opinion.

[Aeneas Veneratio]

i understand that somebody like special new features like this one, but if i read this and other topics i see that my words are more than right with most in TW players opinion.

It seems there are more people in favour of this feature than people against it, though. This is, ofcource, from viewing people on this forum.

"that my words are more than right with most in TW players opinion." - Most TW players do not visit these forums to share their views and opinions, so that is a presumption about an unknown factor.

[totalwar-zone]

It seems there are more people in favour of this feature than people against it, though. This is, ofcource, from viewing people on this forum.

"that my words are more than right with most in TW players opinion." - Most TW players do not visit these forums to share their views and opinions, so that is a presumption about an unknown factor.

I definitely think that the average in forums are representative. After all, CA developed because of these opinions new features for the series.

[Anna_Gein]

Annnnd the thread turned into CA bashing. As always. Sigh.

And FFS can people get THEIR HEADS AROUND THE FACT THAT JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS IMPLEMENTED DOES NOT MEAN THAT SOMETHING ELSE IS TAKEN OUT/TAKEN RESOURCES FROM(if you didn't know, the answer is a resounding "NO")

So is it possible to implement everything a developer could want in a game ? Feature does cost no money to be add ?
Maybe if it is just the small gadget it seems to be it shouldn't throw away existing feature. But it is not as if TW looses good feature at every release for not always good new feature.

It seems there are more people in favour of this feature than people against it, though. This is, ofcource, from viewing people on this forum.

"that my words are more than right with most in TW players opinion." - Most TW players do not visit these forums to share their views and opinions, so that is a presumption about an unknown factor.

And so you know what the silent majority thinks ...

Listen there is no particular problem with this idea in itself. But to thinks this is one of the main idea presented during interviews is a bit troublesome.
And they actually don't seem to know how that should work or what gameplay change that should make. They just want a new camera to make fighting more cinematic-like.
It is not as if they were anouncing a new trade system or explaining that they are working on some kind of sub-faction to reflect the intrigue they want to add in the game.
No just a 1st person camera they have no idea what influence it should have and a supreme commander like camera they don't know if you should be able to give order with.
No that great news.

[Anna_Gein]

No, I don't. I never made that claim, unlike the guy I was quoting before.

Are you sure ?

It seems there are more people in favour of this feature than people against it, though. This is, ofcource, from viewing people on this forum.

But don't worry. I won't curse you into oblivion because of this.
It just that you tried to support your opinion the wrong way.
Why don't you try to explain what could be the interesting in this feature instead ?
Like I said I see little in it but maybe (well surely) you thought of things I didn't.
This kind of discussion would be more interesting than "my opinion is the majority so yours is ".

[He111]

I think its one more time one of these useless features that TW made in every new Title of the series. One gimmick that nobody needs although the series has other problems......

This.

[HusKatten]

I think it's great for marketing purposes, and I hope it's not affecting the gameplay too much. But i bet CA will release a trailer where the movie starts off with the viewer being inside a unit in a roman formation, watching at his surrounding buddies while they march towards a barbarian horde. Just before the armies engage the camera zooms out and you'll see a whole battlefield with all its panoply. A strong trailer like this would alone motivate the implementation of such an idea, but i doubt i'll use it more than twice.

[emotion_name]

What about 1st person mode allows you to give maniple orders (i think thats right word yes? Where frontline units pull back to be replaced by fresher soldiers from rear ranks) and in this way you keep you fatigue lower.

Maybe things like Berserk/Testudo/Cantabrian Circle/Spear Square etc could be "activated" via 1st person mode, although i dont see why they would need to change it from how it is now - this is just rejiggling things to give it a purpose as opposed to finding a purpose for it!

[B. W.]

I played Shogun for probably more than 100 hours and never used it once. It too arcade for me.

[GeneralWolfe]

First person (insert button) will probably do nothing. The first person feature was in Empire; it let you look at the battle from the soldier's (and the bullet's) perspective, but it was buggy as hell.

[Destraex]

I'm thinking it may be used for the campaign story to tell an interactive video story. People talking to you and such.

[Anna_Gein]

I'm utterly sceptical about this one.

There was a view similar to this idea in past TW. So you follow a unit and see its fighting from closer.

So until I see some gameplay video about this I will assume this is just a marketing thing. Something to talk about so they have something to say during interview.