Hillsborough Apology from David Cameron Today

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ter-light.html

Coroner took blood samples from dead Hillsborough victims including children 'in bid to show they were drunk', new evidence shows as Cameron apologises for tragedy
96 died during 1989 FA Cup semi between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest, but 41 could have been saved, experts said today
'I am profoundly sorry that this double injustice has been left uncorrected for so long,' the PM said today
New documents show that police statements were systematically changed or deleted and PM confirms at least 164 were adapted by the police
Paperwork was covered in notes like ‘remove the last page’, ‘exclude the last paragraph’ and ‘rewritten as requested’
Report from panel led by Bishop of Liverpool is damning of authorities
Blood samples taken from the dead, including children, as well as CRB checks just to try to prove that Liverpool fans were to blame

Justice for the 96.
At last after all these years we have got to this stage where apology's are given.The Sun ''NEWSPAPER''will never be bought in Liverpool after the paper tarnished the good name of these supporters.In order to shift the blame from themselves onto the public the cops and Marge Thatcher (cold hearted ) fabricated lies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...yside-19543964

David Cameron has said he is profoundly sorry for the "double injustice" of the Hillsborough disaster.
Speaking after an independent report into previously unseen documents about the tragedy, the prime minister said police had failed to do enough and had also tried to blame Liverpool fans.

Hope this helps the fans and victims....

[mishkin]

Go Liverpool!
Go Torres!

Seriously, reeeeeaaaally late. Shame on those newspapers. Shame on responsible politicians for all these years.

[Ybbon]

Hang about, much as I don't like Thatcher's policies, there was no blame attributed to any government, no complicity in any cover up. THe Police and the Media fabricated the lies. Government formed enquiries may have been previously inadequate but even that BBC article you quote states "No evidence of any government trying to conceal the truth" so you can't blame thatcher for that. Union breaking, death of the pits, a lot of other stuff but not this.

Now don't me wrong, I'm not trying to say nothing should happen - certainly the senior police officers and McKenzie ought to be charged in some way but it wasn't a Government cover-up.

[Ishoss]

Hang about, much as I don't like Thatcher's policies, there was no blame attributed to any government, no complicity in any cover up. THe Police and the Media fabricated the lies. Government formed enquiries may have been previously inadequate but even that BBC article you quote states "No evidence of any government trying to conceal the truth" so you can't blame thatcher for that. Union breaking, death of the pits, a lot of other stuff but not this.

Now don't me wrong, I'm not trying to say nothing should happen - certainly the senior police officers and McKenzie ought to be charged in some way but it wasn't a Government cover-up.

The lies were spread by a tory MP. I rest my case!

Margaret Thatcher was the leader of the country at the time. She bears responsibility. It is the PM's role (at least in Norway, you might cut them more slack in England? There's been talks of throwing Stoltenberg because the police + ambulance service failed horribly 22nd July, but it's probably not going to happen because there's so many different governments that have cocked up continously, anyways I digress) to ensure that every emergency service is giving it's best. Frankly, the Battle of Orgreave AND Hillsborough has proven that the SYP did not learn from their mistakes / changed their ethos. She is partly to blame for this.

Let's hope there's justice for the families and the others affected now. One can not help but feel extremely sorry for them.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Police =/= Thatcher

[justicar5]

Police =/= Thatcher

unless I miss my guess he was apologising for the government sponsored enquires that didn't find this out sooner (as in fact did Ed Milliband)

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

The cops work for the government and she was leader.Surely she could have stopped the behaviour of the Papers saying fans were stealing from the dead and pissing on cops etc.
I would like to see somebody punished for what happened.Some sort of closure.

[Ybbon]

The cops work for the government and she was leader.Surely she could have stopped the behaviour of the Papers saying fans were stealing from the dead and pissing on cops etc.
I would like to see somebody punished for what happened.Some sort of closure.

What a deliciously naive way of looking at things!

The press is independent so no, Government can't tell it what to do at least in such a direct way as telling them not to print something. The Police may be paid for by the tax-payer but again their responsibility is not directly to the Prime Minister of the day.

Now I wholeheartedly agree that someone senior need to pay, but the right person needs to be prosecuted. There were many Policemen and women who did the right thing that day, should they be punished because the Senior Police were complicit? Of course not, neither does the Government of the day need to bear responsibility for what was not their fault.

[caratacus]

This report today is absolutely disgraceful and a new full investigation needs to be opened. The Police's reputation has been again been significantly lowered in the public eye and the coupling of this revelation and the terrible Sun newspaper reports after the event against Liverpublians, in the light of recent findings in the links between News International and The Metropolitan Police Force looks exceedingly bad.

It perhaps won't be lost upon Cameron, the comments made by the Mayor of London Boris Johnson, in an article in the Spectator in 2004. In which he accused the city of "wallowing" in its "victim status".

He said Liverpudlians made a scapegoat of police in the wake of the Hillsborough disaster, refusing to acknowledge the part played "by drunken fans at the back of the crowd who mindlessly tried to fight their way into the ground".

The article, on 16 October, said people in Liverpool "cannot accept that they might have made any contribution to their misfortunes, but seek rather to blame someone else for it, thereby deepening their sense of shared tribal grievance about the rest of society".

[removeduser_487563287433]

This report today is absolutely disgraceful and a new full investigation needs to be opened.

And another one other than that? No. Liverpool has it's answers. Time to move on.

[Azog 150]

And another one other than that? No. Liverpool has it's answers. Time to move on.

Yes, we have answers. The authorities purposefully lied in order to direct blame away from themselves and onto the victims. As far as I am aware, altering police records is a criminal offence, and what's more the people in charge of the operation have been called responsible for the deaths of 96 people.

Its time to move on when the people responsible have been brought to justice. With the emergence of this report I am fairly confident that will happen. But until it does no one is going to be satisfied. This is merely the first step.....it only took 23 years.

[Azog 150]

About ing time. Still got a while to go before there is justice for the 96 though. There is some sick people out there who are responsible for these lies who need to be brought to trial and who should live the rest of their lives in shame.

[Comrade_Rory]

My mate lives around the corner from where it happened and not being much of a football fan, this incident is literally all I associate with the area haha.
Maybe it's just my imagination but it does feel a little eerie.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

LFC statement on panel report

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

LFC statement on panel report
12th Sep 2012 - Latest News


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April 15th 1989 will forever be etched on the minds of everyone connected with Liverpool Football Club. It was a day when 96 supporters attended a football match and never came home.


Over the last 23 years the families who lost loved ones and the survivors of this terrible tragedy have shown immense dignity and resilience in their tireless campaign for justice.

For 23 years they have campaigned for the full disclosure of documents relating to the disaster and for someone to take responsibility for what happened. Today, following years of inquiries, investigations and setbacks, the Hillsborough Independent Panel has announced its findings in relation to the disaster.

Liverpool Football Club commends the Hillsborough Independent Panel report which acknowledges the avoidable catastrophic failures before, during and after the disaster. The club also welcomes the Prime Minister's apology to the families and survivors on behalf of the Government and await the Attorney General's pending review of the report. After 23 long and painful years, our fans have finally been fully exonerated of all blame. Today, the world knows what we have always known, that Liverpool fans were not just innocent on that terrible day but that there was reprehensible and hurtful misrepresentation of the truth.

Liverpool Football Club would like to thank the Hillsborough Independent Panel for its rigorous work over the past two-and-a-half years and for publishing a comprehensive report based on the in-depth research and analysis into hundreds of thousands of documents.

Tom Werner, chairman, Liverpool Football Club, said: "On behalf of myself, John and everyone at the club, I would like to extend our thoughts and prayers on this hugely significant and deeply emotional day to everyone affected by the Hillsborough disaster. Today the world has heard the real truth about what happened at Hillsborough.

"As a football club, we will continue to remember those who died and support the families who lost loved ones on that terrible day. We hope that today's findings will give some comfort to the families and survivors and go some way to addressing some of the key questions that have hung over the Hillsborough tragedy for the last 23 years.

[Col. Tartleton]

What was this? Stadium collapse?

[Heinz Guderian]

What was this? Stadium collapse?

it was a crush. too many people packed into one end. people got crushed against the fencing.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

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http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&...npWhwkNVBkIRyA

Boris Johnson Says sorry

[Necromancer]

Funny. I read about this only a few weeks ago. I guess it's the worst sports-related disaster since the upper-tier of the Circus Maximus collapsed and fell upon its audience in AD 140.

Good to see a formal apology to the LFC fans has come out. I'd hope to have gotten one by now, if I were in their shoes - it has been 23 years, after all.

EDIT: Scratch that. I did some more reading. There've been much worse disasters. Still absolutely horrible, though.

[bekiristein]

YNWA brothers
R.I.P. 96+ 21
G7

[Denny Crane!]

Criminal charges will be laid apparently. Not against Thatcher, amazingly a PM isn't DIRECTLY responsible for the police unless you assume a PM has the god like ability to micromanage everything ever ever ever.

But there is my interest in the topic ended to be honest, big fat meh.