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    Default Ex-KLA horor testimony in Kosovo organ organ harvesting from Serbian prisoners

    In continuation of investigation of Council of Europe (CoE) Special Rapporteur Dick Marty, first ex KLA protected witness had horrific testimony, describing in detail how they were taking out the heart of one kidnapped Serb without any anesthesia.

    Too bad in this link from B92 there are not citation of that testimony, so it is little bit "dry"

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics...9&nav_id=82157



    In the same day Kosovo's "supervised independence" ends with NATO full support

    "U.S. President Barack Obama hailed Monday the end of international supervision for Kosovo's independence as a "historic milestone" that meant the country was taking full control of its sovereignty.

    "With the optimism, energy and determination characteristic of its people, Kosovo has made significant progress in solidifying the gains of independence and in building the institutions of a modern, multi-ethnic, inclusive and democratic state," Obama said in a statement." .....
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    Ex-KLA describes role in Kosovo human organ trafficking

    http://www.b92.net/eng/news/crimes-a...1&nav_id=82176
    Source: Tanjug BELGRADE -- The footage showing a protected witness recounting his role in the illegal harvesting and trafficking of human organs in Kosovo and Albania has been aired.




    In his statement - which the prosecution considers key to its human organ trafficking investigation, the protected witness explained that the training was done using "plastic dummies that contained body parts", and that he and other KLA members were told that they were receiving this training "because at that time the Serbian police and military were everywhere, so we could not take the wounded to public hospitals".

    "Our training started when a doctor, now well-known in Kosovo and in the world, talked about how transplants were performed, how the heart is extracted from the body, and how it was put in a vacuum in a plastic case, and then how some oils, medical fluids are put there, after two hours, or - I'm not sure exactly," the witness was heard saying, and then describing in detail how the heart was removed from a prisoner who was "about 19 or 20 years of age".

    The witness said that the victim was tied when he was brought to the location where his organs would be extracted:

    "I noticed he was not a KLA soldier - and of course I had no right to ask, who was I to ask. I was young, and there were commanders there. They removed those binds, the two soldiers who brought him. They caught him and placed him on a bench, and then called in two others to hold on to his legs so that he could not move."

    The witness said that the doctor who had previously trained them tore the victim's shirt in two.

    "One of the doctors brought a black, doctor-like bag. That was something new to me. He took out some wrapped-up equipment from it. That's when I saw a scalpel for the first time, knives and surgical materials," said the victims, and then described how he himself removed the heart:

    "I was given the scalpel. I felt nauseous, sick. When I say 'sick', I mean from that situation that was like a bad dream, an endless nightmare. I remember it to this day, in my body and in my thoughts I have that feeling again. He (the doctor) told me what I was supposed to do to the body, to make a line, to cut him, to make an operation with a straight line, an incision, from the throat to the end of the ribs."
    For those who don't know what all this is about,there is serious evidence that the KLA was harvesting organs from their prisoners,during the Kosovo war in '98-'99.

    "Witness accounts relate to the kidnapping of Serb civilians, and in some cases members of the Yugoslav Army and the MUP, from July until August 1999, who were transferred across the border to Albania."

    The report further said that the victims were gathered in camps in northern Albania, in Tropoj, and in the Kukes area.

    "(The prisoners) were fed well in the camps where they were imprisoned. After that, they were transferred to improvised clinics near Tirana, where their organs were extracted and then transported to Turkey in order to be sold. It is also claimed that the remains of the Serbs were transferred to Albania."

    The case was later investigated by Council of Europe (CoE) Special Rapporteur Dick Marty, whose report published in late 2010 named members of the ethnic Albanian so-called Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) as perpetrators of the atrocities. A resolution adopted by the Council's Parliamentary Assembly called for an investigation to be launched, while Serbia, in parallel with investigating the case via its War Crimes Prosecution, has been attempting to secure an international probe under the UN umbrella.

    A total of 1,776 persons are listed as missing from the conflicts in Kosovo, 512 of them Serbs or other non-Albanians. According to Carla Del Ponte's account, some 300 people, mostly Serbs, were the victim of illegal organ harvesting.
    Finally all can see on which foundations this terrorist "state" of Kosovo was built upon.

    So what's the response of the western democracies ?

    Just more hypocrisy as usual.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19550809
    10 September 2012 Last updated at 17:07 GMT

    Western powers overseeing Kosovo have announced the end of their supervision of the tiny Balkan nation.

    US President Barack Obama said Monday marked a "historic milestone" for Kosovo, which he said had made "significant progress".

    "With the optimism, energy and determination characteristic of its people, Kosovo has made significant progress in solidifying the gains of independence and in building the institutions of a modern, multi-ethnic, inclusive and democratic state," he said.

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    Default Re: Ex-KLA describes role in Kosovo human organ trafficking

    Why are you trying to manipulate something that was not a response to this to look like it was a response to this? Nobody will be stupid enough to fall for that.

    Provide a source to your article, please, as per the forum rules.

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    Default Re: Ex-KLA describes role in Kosovo human organ trafficking

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post

    Provide a source to your article, please, as per the forum rules.
    The link is provided.

    Why are you trying to manipulate something that was not a response to this to look like it was a response to this?
    I'm not manipulating anything,it was just a sarcastic remark.Of course there will probably be no response from the West,which basically supported the KLA through the whole period during which these barbaric acts were committed.

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    Default Re: Ex-KLA describes role in Kosovo human organ trafficking

    If that's true it is one of the most despicable things I have ever heard of.

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    And since this is an unnamed, unverified source, put forward by the Serbian media which loves a good human organ story, why should we believe it?

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    Default Re: Ex-KLA describes role in Kosovo human organ trafficking

    @boofhead

    What is even more despicable is that the men responsible for this are top ranking officials of this "country" who have the nerve to preach about human rights.

    Behold Hashim Thaci,the handsome "premier" of Kosovo,ex-KLA leader.









    @Ferrets

    Seriously ?

    Deputy War Crimes Prosecutor Bruno Vekarić told RTS that the man who had agreed to cooperate with the prosecution as a member of the KLA has received training in "a special camp in Albania":


    Summing up the testimony of the man dubbed "the most protected witness in Serbia", Bruno Vekarić stressed that "the time of investigations and trials in front of the cameras" was over:

    "We do not wish to fool either ourselves or others with statements we are not sure of. This is only one percent of everything he (the witness) had to say. You have not seen any of the locations... we worked to verify him for 16 months in every possible way. All international institutions and prosecutions will have a chance to talk to him and assure themselves of his credibility."
    Oh and the witness is unnamed because there were previous cases of people committing suicide by stabbing themselves a dozen times,being run over by a car,etc,just as they were about to testify against the KLA.

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    Default Re: Ex-KLA describes role in Kosovo human organ trafficking

    Well yes I've heard of that criminal murderer.

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    Wait, Il Padrino, what's your problem? That war criminals are being prosecuted?

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    Default Re: Ex-KLA describes role in Kosovo human organ trafficking

    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    Wait, Il Padrino, what's your problem? That war criminals are being prosecuted?
    Thaci is being prosecuted?Really ?

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    Um, does your source say anything about Thaci?

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    On 12 December 2010, a draft[34] report from Dick Marty to the Council of Europe was pre-released,[35] alleging that the Republic of Kosovo's prime minister, Hashim Thaçi was the head of a "mafia-like" group responsible for smuggling weapons, drugs and human organs through eastern Europe.[36] According to the report, the KLA held prisoners in a network of six facilities located in Albania, and that Thaçi's "Drenica Group" bears the greatest responsibility for the prisons and the fate of those held there.[36] "Some Serbians and some Albanian Kosovars were held prisoner in secret places of detention under KLA control in northern Albania and were subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment, before ultimately disappearing," the report says.[33] A "handful" of the healthiest prisoners were supposedly transferred to a farmhouse near Fushë-Krujë, not far the Albanian capital of Tirana, where they were killed for their kidneys.[36] The report states: "As and when the transplant surgeons were confirmed to be in position and ready to operate, the captives were brought out of the 'safe house' individually, summarily executed by a KLA gunman, and their corpses transported swiftly to the operating clinic." Some of the captives were aware of the fate that awaited them and pleaded not to be "chopped up".[37] The organs were then allegedly subsequently shipped to Istanbul, Turkey.[37]

    In January 2011, The Guardian released NATO documents from 2004 describing Hashim Thaçi as being supposedly under the control of the Albanian mafia, in particular former KLA chief of logistics Xhavit Haliti. Haliti was described as "highly involved in prostitution, weapons and drugs smuggling", who "serves as a political and financial adviser to the prime minister."[54] Haliti uses fake passports to travel abroad as he is blacklisted in several countries, including the United States. "Haliti is also named in the report by Marty, which is understood to have drawn on NATO intelligence assessments along with reports from the FBI and MI5," according to the article.[55]

    Etc etc.But we have already gone through this countless times,and I'm sure you'll find some new way to defend your personal favorite this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by il padrino View Post
    Etc etc.But we have already gone through this countless times,and I'm sure you'll find some new way to defend your personal favorite this time.
    Please. You may trick some people who're ignorant of the Balkans into thinking that Thaci's criminal connections are unique, but they're not. It's shorter list of politicians who aren't are guilty of the same crimes or taking money from the people who are. Serbia under Milosevic was the biggest gangster state in the Balkans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    You may trick some people who're ignorant of the Balkans into thinking that Thaci's criminal connections are unique, but they're not. It's shorter list of politicians who aren't are guilty of the same crimes or taking money from the people who are. Serbia under Milosevic was the biggest gangster state in the Balkans.
    So what's this post supposed to mean ?"But but,Milosevic and the Serbz were evil too"?Even if that was to be true,it still doesn't explain why Milosevic and Serbia were bombed to oblivion and were declared the worst thing since the Nazis,while modern day Dr.Mengele and head of the mafia is a premier of a NATO puppet regime.

    Do you really have anything to say other than "Milosevic,Srebrenica,Genocide,Serbs,Nazis " ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burnum View Post
    Please. You may trick some people who're ignorant of the Balkans into thinking that Thaci's criminal connections are unique, but they're not. It's shorter list of politicians who aren't are guilty of the same crimes or taking money from the people who are. Serbia under Milosevic was the biggest gangster state in the Balkans.
    Totally and completely irrelevant to what the KLA has been doing.

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    An odd way of saying "Um, no it doesn't" but nevermind.

    You still haven't got used to posting links with your quotes, have you? Don't want people checking too hard, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post

    You still haven't got used to posting links with your quotes, have you? Don't want people checking too hard, right?


    A simple click on any of the references will lead you to the source,easy and quick.But I'm afraid I can't help you.For those who refuse to recognize and accept some basic facts,anything is hard.

    An odd way of saying "Um, no it doesn't" but nevermind.
    A familiar way of you escaping the hard evidence being presented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by il padrino View Post
    A simple click on any of the references will lead you to the source,easy and quick.But I'm afraid I can't help you.For those who refuse to recognize and accept some basic facts,anything is hard.
    Basic facts here meaning one-sided mythology. You're your own worst enemy, Il Padrino, if you actually used sources and were open to criticism and questions, you'd be able to prove anything that was true under the sun. Instead you've started a thread with no intention to debate your own topic, simply cynically using it to have another rant about Albanians instead - having only the result of everybody emitting a hopeless, bored sigh.

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    Awesome, another balkans thread, have not had this in a while.

    Most of the sides in the Balkan wars were heavily war profiteering or looters, etc. All the exYugo sides Croat/Bosnian/Serb gave former criminals authority, as to create the feudal empires that those countries became after the war. Destroying any functioning state with a real legal system.
    That the Albanian mafia is running organs is not really a surprise. What I am trying to say is, I consider the Serb Politicians of the 90ties genocidal maniacs, but Kosovo today is indeed more of a then when they ruled over it. mostly used for, drug trafficking?

    Would it no be better if all the balkan peoples, both Serbs and Albanians realized their leaders are , and are keeping them in a state of ever lasting hostility, without making a sane solution for Kosovo... jebus, make a fair border, you guys don't even understand each other, and most of you look physically different .

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    Default Re: Ex-KLA describes role in Kosovo human organ trafficking

    I see,so after trying to discredit my source,you failed to provide any sort of counter-argument to this post,this and this one.Your usual tactics were attempts at changing the subject to some other trivial things,off topic etc.And last but not least,you consider your personal view of the topic(boredom while reading testimonies of monstrous crimes against Serbs) as a general view held by everybody.

    So in other words,nothing new,just a usual way of yours in ruining the possibility of a quality discussion in a thread about an event where Serbs aren't depicted as worse than Nazis.

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