11 years after 9/11. How did we change?

[Diglytron]

America will pause again today to remember the victims of the attacks on lower Manhattan and the Pentagon 11 years ago, against a backdrop of recriminations over delays in finishing a museum at Ground Zero and with the pomp of last year's 10th anniversary largely absent.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...a-8122449.html

I want to discuss/talk about the changes after 9/11. In our freedom, liberty and thinking. Did we change? And was our change good?

RIP all the inocent people who died that day.

[Condottiere 40K]

I think for my generation, the Xers of North America and Europe, it fundamentally changed our world view. We had been preached to that with the end of Communism in Eastern Europe and Russia, the end of history had come, though I doubt any of us actually understood what that phrase means, and that the world was heading to some convergence with the event of massive globalization, and the emergence of China and the Asia as economies and powers to be reckoned with.

Terrorism, especially the Middle Eastern kind was just a fact of life stirred by by some crazy fundamentalists or extremists who wanted to recreate the world in their vision. 9/11 destroyed our sense of security and made us re-evaluate the effect increasing Islaminazation of our countries had on our future, especially in Europe. The Clash of Cultures turned from some obscure theory into an actual threat to be taken seriously, which is why you saw the counter movements and rise of rightist extremism in Europe.

[spanish_emperor]

I think it made the west over-react to think that many of their problems could be solved militarily, and it underestimated our opponents and convinced the U.S. that it could be the policeman of the world.

I think that ever since the Bush administration ended there has been a rethink of U.S. policy.

[priam11]

I think it made the west over-react to think that many of their problems could be solved militarily, and it underestimated our opponents and convinced the U.S. that it could be the policeman of the world.

I think that ever since the Bush administration ended there has been a rethink of U.S. policy.

I think you need to expand on the last part.

[alhoon]

I think that with the threat of unknown enemy in the USA soil, placing bombs, Americans gave up some liberty to gain some security. USA has turned quite more authoritarian as a result of 9/11.

It also provided a sentimental excuse for the big corporation and Bush's buddies to push for a war with Iraq based on lies that wouldn't hold enough water for the USA public at 10th of September 2001.

[SuperTechmarine]

I think that with the threat of unknown enemy in the USA soil, placing bombs, Americans gave up some liberty to gain some security. USA has turned quite more authoritarian as a result of 9/11.

It also provided a sentimental excuse for the big corporation and Bush's buddies to push for a war with Iraq based on lies that wouldn't hold enough water for the USA public at 10th of September 2001.

He who gives away a little liberty for a little security, will get neither and deserve none -Benjamin Franklin

[gaunty14]

The USA became exposed to what Europe has been dealing with for decades, albeit on a larger scale. Somewhat in keeping with the USA doing things on a large scale. Houses, cars, military, food portions etc.

[Bleda]

It's given rise to the supposed need for a perpetual warfare state. Oh and less liberty

[Phier]

I've lost about 20 pounds, had 2 kids, and my net worth is a lot more.

If there is one thing that gets over done is "9/11, then and now, what has changed?" stories. I'll give people the 10th year anniversary but after a while its time to move on.

[Bleda]

I've lost about 20 pounds, had 2 kids, and my net worth is a lot more.

If there is one thing that gets over done is "9/11, then and now, what has changed?" stories. I'll give people the 10th year anniversary but after a while its time to move on.

Yeah, on this day every year I have a hard time accessing any media whatsoever without hearing countless platitudes about 9/11.

I get this bit of song stuck in my head every 9/11:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOXfzR85dAc&feature=player_detailpage#t=20s

[justicar5]

I've lost about 20 pounds, had 2 kids, and my net worth is a lot more.

If there is one thing that gets over done is "9/11, then and now, what has changed?" stories. I'll give people the 10th year anniversary but after a while its time to move on.

apparently not even politicians went to the memorial this time. Leave the families alone, the rest of us should move on.

The USA became exposed to what Europe has been dealing with for decades, albeit on a larger scale. Somewhat in keeping with the USA doing things on a large scale. Houses, cars, military, food portions etc.

Less sarcastic version of that, I'd grown up with news of IRA or Loyalist terror on the news pretty much weekly, that had finished...then came 9/11, unprecedented only in scale and who the target was (An atrocity certainly, don't get me wrong.)

[JP226]

I dont see this as a change but rather an illumination of how lazy Europeans are.

[Éorl]

What happened on 9/11 11 years ago?

[justicar5]

I dont see this as a change but rather an illumination of how lazy Europeans are.

How so?

[Éorl]

Originally Posted by JP226
I dont see this as a change but rather an illumination of how lazy Europeans are.

How so?

There are some americans who envy us Europeans for our long history of war - we even started two world wars. Those americans believed that the *drumroll* WAR ON TERROR!!! would be their great shot at a world-wide war, but it's more a fart in the wind of history, which is why most europeans didn't bother in the first place, and now those americans are moping .

Don't worry, there are also lazy (cool) americans like us europeans.

[Phier]

I dont see this as a change but rather an illumination of how lazy Europeans are.

I don't think we needed a terrorist attack to illuminate that.

[Holger Danske]

I dont see this as a change but rather an illumination of how lazy Europeans are.

It must warm your patriotic Amurican heart to see Europe doing so poorly these days, eh?

[Phier]

It must warm your patriotic Amurican heart to see Europe doing so poorly these days, eh?

Well it IS nice to not have to worry about them killing each other and dragging ourselves into that mess every 50 years for once.

But back on topic, post 9/11 is done, lets save the reliving for 2021.

[Plan C]

I dont see this as a change but rather an illumination of how lazy Europeans are.

American education system laid bare. Would ask you to show Europe on the map but I've had enough of sad news for one day (<== little yellow face means I'm being facetious).

[Armenum]

I think the US committed an overreaction to the 9/11 events which ended up backfiring on itself. As a result of this tragedy of innocent deaths, those actions resulted in more and more tragedies of even more innocent deaths.