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    Default Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt terrorizing secular press, begins crucifying(!) opponents

    From Raymond Ibrahim:



    Updates:

    Aug 19: Investigative reporter Patrick Poole has just sent me a cache of the original Sky News Arabic report, titled "Protesters Crucified in Front of Presidential Palace in Egypt" (view here), in response to an American Thinker post citing the lack of the Sky News article as reason to doubt the veracity of the story.

    Sept 4: See here for my response to those claiming these crucifixion accounts are a "hoax."


    Last week in Egypt, when Muslim Brotherhood supporters terrorized the secular media, several Arabic websites—including Arab News, Al Khabar News, Dostor Watany, and Egypt Now—reported that people were being "crucified." The relevant excerpt follows in translation:

    A Sky News Arabic correspondent in Cairo confirmed that protestors belonging to the Muslim Brotherhood crucified those opposing Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi naked on trees in front of the presidential palace while abusing others. Likewise, Muslim Brotherhood supporters locked the doors of the media production facilities of 6-October [a major media region in Cairo], where they proceeded to attack several popular journalists.

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    That there were attacks and violence—both in front of Egypt's presidential palace and at major media facilities, is well-documented. An August 9 report by El Balad, a widely read Egyptian website, gives the details:

    Last Wednesday, August 8, "thousands of the Muslim Brotherhood's supporters" attacked 6-October's media facilities, beat Khaled Salah—chief editor of the privately-owned and secular Youm 7 newspaper—prevented Yusif al-Hassani, an On TV broadcaster, from entering the building, and generally "terrorized the employees."

    El Balad adds that the supporters of Tawfik Okasha, another vocal critic of President Morsi—the one who widely disseminated the graphic video of a Muslim apostate being slaughtered to cries of "Allahu Akbar"—gathered around the presidential palace, only to be surrounded by Brotherhood supporters, who "attacked them with sticks, knives, and Molotov cocktails, crucifying some of them on trees, leading to the deaths of two and the wounding of dozens."

    Far from condemning these terrorists, Al Azhar, Egypt's most authoritative Islamic institution, has just issued a fatwa calling for more violence and oppression, saying that "fighting participants in anti-Muslim Brotherhood demonstrations planned for 24 August is a religious obligation."

    Most of the aforementioned Arabic sites point out that these attacks are part of the Muslim Brotherhood's campaign to intimidate and thus censor Egypt's secular media from exposing the group's Islamist agenda, which Youm 7, On TV, and Okasha do daily. [Note: the latter's channel was recently shut down, despite Morsi's previous reassurances that "no station or media will be shut down in my era."]

    These threats are not new; back in April, an organization called the "Jihad Group to Cleanse the Country" threatened these media with "painful and severe punishments." Apparently now that Morsi has become master of Egypt, threats are becoming reality, just as promises are being broken.

    And the threats are taking their toll. Sky News, which was first to report about the crucifixions, has taken down its original article (though the URL still appears in the address box with the Arabic words "protesters-crucified-in front of-egypt's-presidential-palace").

    While one may argue that Sky News removed the article because it was found false, one can equally argue that it censored itself for fear that it would be next in the terror campaign against the media.

    In reality, there is little reason to doubt this crucifixion story. Militant Muslims crucifying their opponents is a regular feature of the Islamic world—recent cases coming from the Ivory Coast, where two Christian brothers were crucified, similarly by supporters of a Muslim president who ousted a Christian; Indonesia, where Islamic separatists crucified a fellow Muslim for being a military informant; and in Iraq, where Muslim militants crucified Christian children.

    Moreover, those alleged to have been crucified in Egypt certainly fit the Koran's description of who deserves to be crucified. According to Allah, "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this: that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off…" (Koran 5:33).

    "Making mischief in the land" is precisely what the secular media is being accused of, by constantly exposing the Muslim Brotherhood and its Islamist agenda. Even the Jihad Group to Cleanse the Country, which threatens to "liquidate" many secular media, accuses them of "creating chaos to implement the American and Zionist agenda."

    Finally, it is telling that only a few months ago, and for the first time in Egypt's modern history, an Egyptian MP proposed to institutionalize Sharia's most draconian punishments—including crucifixion.

    In short, under the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, the bottle has been uncorked and the Islamic Genie set loose. Expect much worse to come.
    Unfortunately (fortunately?) there are no pictures of the crucifixions in Egypt. However, as Raymond has evidenced, crucifixions have recently been dished-out across the Middle East and North Africa. For some image-based evidence, here's a video showing a crucified Yemeni man (warning: graphic). Apparently the man was accused by a local Islamist group for being a US spy. As they say, the rest is history.

    I wonder how the Muslim Brotherhood leadership will react now that its power-base and other Islamist groups have been emboldened to scourge any opposition. So far, it looks like they've turned a blind-eye to the violence, presumably because much of the Brotherhood's legitimacy lies with these groups. In their rise to power in Egypt and the region, and threatening to fill the vacuum in Syria, the Brotherhood has made endless promises to placate their critics, but how is trust possible when they can't even prevent their sympathizers from dispensing medieval barbarity upon any oppositional group or figure, even neutral groups and figures? Are we seeing the beginnings of a new wave of religious savagery across the Middle East and North Africa, much like the Reformation? Or are these just blips on the fanatical radar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukonTrooper View Post
    From Raymond Ibrahim:

    Unfortunately (fortunately?) there are no pictures of the crucifixions in Egypt. However, as Raymond has evidenced, crucifixions have recently been dished-out across the Middle East and North Africa. For some image-based evidence, here's a video showing a crucified Yemeni man (warning: graphic). Apparently the man was accused by a local Islamist group for being a US spy. As they say, the rest is history.

    I wonder how the Muslim Brotherhood leadership will react now that its power-base and other Islamist groups have been emboldened to scourge any opposition. So far, it looks like they've turned a blind-eye to the violence, presumably because much of the Brotherhood's legitimacy lies with these groups. In their rise to power in Egypt and the region, and threatening to fill the vacuum in Syria, the Brotherhood has made endless promises to placate their critics, but how is trust possible when they can't even prevent their sympathizers from dispensing medieval barbarity upon any oppositional group or figure, even neutral groups and figures? Are we seeing the beginnings of a new wave of religious savagery across the Middle East and North Africa, much like the Reformation? Or are these just blips on the fanatical radar?
    There is no evidence of Crucifixions in Egypt, you say so yourself, and yet you post this. Is there no end ot the fail?


    NB: The original report said that "crucified those opposing Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi naked on trees in front of the presidential palace while abusing others". You would think this would be a highly visible event unless imaginary people were nailed on imaginary crosses. Oddly enough, the story's originator WorldNetDaily is one of those professional Islamophobic blogs which generates money from making up such stories.
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    I thought Mursi just sign a new law to give Tawfiq Ukasha an opened trial?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mongrel View Post
    There is no evidence of Crucifixions in Egypt, you say so yourself, and yet you post this. Is there no end ot the fail?


    NB: The original report said that "crucified those opposing Egyptian President Muhammad Morsi naked on trees in front of the presidential palace while abusing others". You would think this would be a highly visible event unless imaginary people were nailed on imaginary crosses. Oddly enough, the story's originator WorldNetDaily is one of those professional Islamophobic blogs which generates money from making up such stories.
    Absence of pictures isn't absence of evidence or truth. If that was the case, 90% of news articles would be completely bogus. Did you read the entire article for an explanation of the reporting, or did you just read my snippet and jump on the opportunity to sneer?

    Also, the original report was from Sky News, not WorldNetDaily. You would have known that if you read the article in its entirety.
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    Once a political decision has been reached to proceed with internal disturbances in Syria, CIA is prepared, and SIS (MI6) will attempt to mount minor sabotage and coup de main [sic] incidents within Syria, working through contacts with individuals. Incidents should not be concentrated in Damascus. [A] necessary degree of fear, [...] frontier incidents and [staged] border clashes [will] provide a pretext for intervention. The CIA and SIS should use [...] capabilities in both psychological and action fields to augment tension. [Funding should be provided for a] Free Syria Committee [and arms should be supplied to] political factions with paramilitary or other actionist capabilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukonTrooper View Post
    Absence of pictures isn't absence of evidence or truth. If that was the case, 90% of news articles would be completely bogus. Did you read the entire article for an explanation of the reporting, or did you just read my snippet and jump on the opportunity to sneer?

    Also, the original report was from Sky News, not WorldNetDaily. You would have known that if you read the article in its entirety.
    Bollocks. The absence of common sense seems to be the defining issue. This is the 21st century. This is the capital city of Egypt, not some remote village. Show us pictures of people nailed up to wood with the Presidential Palace as a backdrop. There should be scores of pictures, together with the testimony of several real Egyptians, not that of some Isalmophobic sockpuppet who is paid to produce such pap. How can you be so credulous as to be taken in by this? WND dressed this up and spread it amongst the usual channels. Follow the Google trail . Where is that Sky report by the way? And is this loon's article a true reflection of what was said?

    An Egyptian resident (comment in Daily Mail)
    I live in Egypt and nobody has been crucified and although we have a lot of problems with the new regime, there isnt any blood on the street. The part about them trying to impose bans on freedom of speech is true but after the revolution with the barrier of fear broken, it will not be an easy task for them.

    - May , Cairo, Egypt, 19/8/2012 02:07

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz25vLl5Tmx

    Also

    Sky News -the Debunk.
    http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...-urban-legend/

    Yesterday I contacted the management of Sky News Arabic, and asked them about the crucifixions. According to Fares Ghneim, a Sky communications official, the crucifixion claim “began on social media. It started getting pick-up from there and eventually reached us.”

    “Our reporters came across reports of the alleged crucifixions and a story very briefly appeared on the Sky News Arabia website,” he added. “The story — which was taken down within minutes — was based on third-party reports and I am not aware that any of our reporters said or confirmed anything along the lines of what is quoted in the article [by WorldNetDaily] … What’s unclear is where websites in North America got [the] Sky News Arabia bit from. As mentioned [previously], none of our correspondents confirmed this issue or commented on it. Clearly there is an intermediate source the websites got the info from, but as of yet we haven’t been able to identify it.”
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    So you're telling me people that people were being crucified in front of the presidential palace in the middle of Cairo yet not one of the millions who live in that city have been able to get a photo?

    EDIT: How long did it take you to find this source Yukon? You would think something this big would be all over the news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze86420 View Post
    So you're telling me people that people were being crucified in front of the presidential palace in the middle of Cairo yet not one of the millions who live in that city have been able capture a photo?
    In a word yes, and strangely enough, none of these people have relatives to greive for them , or to seek justice.

    The story is as fictional as this crucifixion. (Watch out though, WND or Pam Geller might use this video!)


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    Looks like this Crucifixion is a crucifiction
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