Salvation (Protestant vs Orthodox version)

[Carpathian Wolf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&fe...&v=WosgwLekgn8


I think this describes very well the theological differences between Christianity in the west and that of the Orthodox. This is why so many atheists if you talk to them, describe God as some angry old man that hates his children, who set them up for failure and then criticizes them for failing. The reality of things is different, however.

[SuperTechmarine]

What bussiness do Atheists have with religion anyways?

[Cooraan]

What bussiness do Atheists have with religion anyways?

Sarcasm?

[Inconsistent]

What bussiness do Atheists have with religion anyways?

It would be great if we had none.

[ShockBlast]

It would be great if we had none.

It would be even better if we had no theists.

[Himster]

What bussiness do Atheists have with religion anyways?

The same "business" we have with star wars or Warhammer or Greek myths: Curiosities of the universal human psyche given literary form.

You'd have to be retarded not to be interested in that.

[Matthias]

This is why so many atheists if you talk to them, describe God as some angry old man that hates his children, who set them up for failure and then criticizes them for failing.

The Old Testament tells me that, not atheists.

I mean, I suppose if I tortured and tormented a man, killing his family and ravaging him with disease, all as a test to his loyalty to me, I might be considred an angry man. And if I decided to kill all first born males, well, just to show my power, I might hate children a bit. Or I could command some guy to kill his child, just as a test. This is all perfectly normal, rightous behavior you see. An all knowing, perfect being would surely engage in them.

[Carpathian Wolf]

The Old Testament tells me that, not atheists.

I mean, I suppose if I tortured and tormented a man, killing his family and ravaging him with disease, all as a test to his loyalty to me, I might be considred an angry man. And if I decided to kill all first born males, well, just to show my power, I might hate children a bit. Or I could command some guy to kill his child, just as a test. This is all perfectly normal, rightous behavior you see. An all knowing, perfect being would surely engage in them.

If you don't know what you're talking about, it's better to listen.

[Matthias]

If you don't know what you're talking about, it's better to listen.

Hope you're listening then, or better yet, reading the Bible yourself

[Lord of Lost Socks]

If you don't know what you're talking about, it's better to listen.

Am I the only one who expected a counter-argument to the quoted argument and not just a fancy way to say "Shut up"?

[Enemy of the State]

Am I the only one who expected a counter-argument to the quoted argument and not just a fancy way to say "Shut up".

Indeed. That was fairly pathetic.

[Visna]

Am I the only one who expected a counter-argument to the quoted argument and not just a fancy way to say "Shut up"?

Is that a rhetorical question, or did you actually expect a counter argument?

[Lord of Lost Socks]

Is that a rhetorical question, or did you actually expect a counter argument?

It was meant as a rhetorical question with the purpose of promoting him to actually respond to the quotes and not just ignore them.

[Carpathian Wolf]

That's certainly one sort of ignorant world view held by some.

[PointOfViewGun]

It's not less ignorant than saying that it would be better if we had no atheists...

[Visna]

The reality of things is different, however.

...he said, seemingly completely oblivious to the irony of it all.
Seriously now,

I think this describes very well the theological differences between Christianity in the west and that of the Orthodox. This is why so many atheists if you talk to them, describe God as some angry old man that hates his children, who set them up for failure and then criticizes them for failing.

Makes about as much sense as something like this.

"I think this describes very well the differences between the dragon belief in the west and that of the east. This is why so many westerners if you talk to them describe dragons as fiery serpents, evil entities, scaled destroyers, symbols of greed and hunger. The reality of things is different, however."

But do go on. Theists squabbling over which interpretation of God is the correct one, the reality of things if you will, is a source of endless cheap giggles.

[Lazarus]

The reality of things is different, however.

The reality of God? When did we establish that God was a certainty? And which being was blessed with an understanding so much higher then that of humanity that he could comprehend a God and dumb it down for all of us to know?

[PointOfViewGun]

I thought the guy on the video was gonna start doing kung fu!

[Sphere]

It would be great if we had none.

Not having theists would be like not having the novel 1984. Having something to argue against is not just important, it is essential.

[Carpathian Wolf]

Hope you're listening then, or better yet, reading the Bible yourself

I am.

...he said, seemingly completely oblivious to the irony of it all.
Seriously now,



Makes about as much sense as something like this.

"I think this describes very well the differences between the dragon belief in the west and that of the east. This is why so many westerners if you talk to them describe dragons as fiery serpents, evil entities, scaled destroyers, symbols of greed and hunger. The reality of things is different, however."

But do go on. Theists squabbling over which interpretation of God is the correct one, the reality of things if you will, is a source of endless cheap giggles.

No, that's a childish example. The difference between theism and atheism is the difference between believing there is a cause for the effect and believing that there is no cause. God has nothing to do with dragons of the west or fairies or whatever other things you try to liken it to.

The reality of God? When did we establish that God was a certainty? And which being was blessed with an understanding so much higher then that of humanity that he could comprehend a God and dumb it down for all of us to know?

Do you believe in cause and effect? Yes? Then you believe in God.