Nations with good Unit Variety

[kostas84]

Well, i have my Roman Campaign going on right now, captured 2 good mines(Segestica, Dalminion) and Syrakusai which will fund me a good fleet to go against Carthage, i will force diplomacy a peace treaty(how do i do a force diplomacy?) as soon as ive taken Sicily and Corsica and the small island above it, to represent the end of the first Punic War.

Now, onto the question, whats the nation with the best Unit Variety?

I am well aware of the fact that Carthage and Arche Sekeukeia have very good Unit Variety, but what other nations do? I am guessing Baktria but im not sure, thats why i am asking.

[Stath's]

Baktria yes, Macedons and Epeiros (they have thracian units too).

[The Kybrothilian]

Getae is another such faction.

[hamjam]

I think the KH faction has a sneaky good unit selection. I don't think it has the variety of some other factions, but it is the only faction that can get three of the most beautiful units in the game: Syracusan Hoplite, Spartan Hoplite and the golden Greek Phalanx. It is pretty awesome to field an army of Greek Phalanx with either Syracusan Hoplites or Spartan Hoplites, along with Bosporan and Cretan archers, Rhodian Slingers and Thessalian Horsemen.

[FrisianDude]

I think the KH faction has a sneaky good unit selection. I don't think it has the variety of some other factions, but it is the only faction that can get three of the most beautiful units in the game: Syracusan Hoplite, Spartan Hoplite and the golden Greek Phalanx. It is pretty awesome to field an army of Greek Phalanx with either Syracusan Hoplites or Spartan Hoplites, along with Bosporan and Cretan archers, Rhodian Slingers and Thessalian Horsemen.

"Golden" Greek Phalanx? The Koinon Hellenon Phalangitai don't seem good enough to warrant Golden. They're pretty much Klerouchon Phalangitai with 'disciplined' rather than 'normal'. And those, while probably not the worst (that's probably pantodapoi/machimoi phalangitai), are not particularly awesome.

[Entropy Judge]

"Golden" Greek Phalanx?

Probably the Thorakitai Hoplitai.

Edit: Or, given that he's specifically referring to them as one of the "most beautiful units in the game," it could be the KH Phalangitai, but I think they're white with gold shields, so I don't know if that's right, either.

[Samariten]

I think no matter what faction one play you can get a good variety of troops as you conquer new lands. You are playing as Rome and after you take Taras you unlock loads of greek and italian units to use as socii alae.

[Entropy Judge]

"All of them, Frank."

[Gaiserix]

Seleukia has an awesome unit variety. They have everything; armoured elephants, chariots, Pezetehori, Heteroi cavalry, Cataphracts - they have the lot.

I like Audui, because there is only one unit to use. The Northern Swordsmen covered by a couple of slingers and a single unit of light cavalry - maybe a unit of spearmen or two. It's an early unit so you can keep using them for the rest of the game.

[Durnaug]

"All of them, Frank."

That reminds me of this...

Norman Stansfield: Bring me everyone.
3rd Stansfield man: What do you mean "everyone"?
Norman Stansfield: EVERYONE.

[Gaiserix]

You have to "play" (seems more like serious business sometimes tbh) the faction historically correct to respect - and enjoy - what the EB team created. I spend more time reading all the descriptions of units, buildings and skills than I do fighting. It's not just a game modification, it's a very enjoyable - and historically correct - opportunity to learn more about ancient civilizations.

[HUtH]

Pontos for sure

[Gaiserix]

Pontos for sure

LOL - Pontos is in an area with many regional "militia", but their own troops suck. The elite "Pontic Thorakhitai" has 0.1 in lethality I believe - they are useless. The elite Phalanx is no better than two units of Native Phalanx.

[Boriak]

The elite "Pontic Thorakhitai" has 0.1 in lethality I believe - they are useless.

I took care of that in my game.

[Stath's]

I took care of that in my game.

What have you changed exactly?

Some details could be useful...

[Entropy Judge]

What have you changed exactly?

Some details could be useful...

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=282727
Basically:
Boost Javelin Attack to 8, decrease Range to 31.5
Increase Sword Lethality to .13
Boost Skill (IIRC) to 11 (+2)
Increase Initial Cost to 1932 and Upkeep to 483

That's the suggested change, anyway; doesn't make them OP, but makes them useful.

Edit:

Theuropontes Toxotai are the second best archers in the game if not the best...

Depends. If you mean 2nd Best at Archery, then they're definitely inferior to Kretans - who have better Range, better Attack, and the same amount of arrows - the Imperial Eastern Archer Auxilia - who have better Range, the same Attack, the same Ammo, *and* the same Armour - and probably the Subeshi/Sarmatian/Mardian/Heavy Persian Foot Archers - Outrange with the same Attack and Ammo. What the Bosphorans have is (generally) more Armour, a Shield, and the ability to Melee effectively (Longsword with fair skill). Of course, if they actually get into a fight with a decent Infantry unit, they'll typically be kicked in the teeth, so it's more that they're Good Archers with Light Infantry capability (much like the Chosen Archers in Vanilla). They're even likely to win most Archer Duels, thanks to their better Armour and Shield ... but there are better options if you're just looking for an Archer.

[Boriak]

What have you changed exactly?

Some details could be useful...

Sorry for not posting sooner, only saw the question now.

These are the changes I implemented in my game. Nothing drastic, just something I think was necessary.

Bruttians: +2 armour
Indian Longbowmen: Range +40, Ammo +14
Pedites Extraordinarii/Samnite Heavy Infantry: lethality +0.02
Hastati, Syrian Archers, Roman Velites: lethality +0.03
Eqvites Extraordinarii, Eqvites Hispanorvm: lethality +0.02
Pontic Thorakitai: sec weap lethality +0.03, armor +3, mass +0.03
Armenian Swordsmen: sec wep lethality +0.03, armor +3, mass +0.03
Georgian Swordsmen: sec wep lethality +0.03

Indian longbowmen were suppose to have maximum range and I thought some extra ammo could make them more valuable (I usually don't use all ammo anyway). Everyone who uses a sword gets lethality 0.13, kopis remains armor piercing. The eastern Thorakitai got the same armor as the Hellenic since they both use chainmail and shoulder protectors.

[HUtH]

But he asked about unit variety and I understand that it's how different units in fighting style, culture etc. faction can get easily, not how strong they are. And Pontos can get quickly everything from anatolian/asian, through steppe, greek, thracian to celts... ah and their own pontic

[seleucid empire]

But he asked about unit variety and I understand that it's how different units in fighting style, culture etc. faction can get easily, not how strong they are. And Pontos can get quickly everything from anatolian/asian, through steppe, greek, thracian to celts... ah and their own pontic

Arche Seleukeia can recruit everything that Pontus can except their pontic thoratkai, which are rubbish imo. Seleucids have chariots, better pikemen and can even recruit the same galatian units that the pontics have.

Pontics do have a varient of cavalry (Cappadocian Medium Cavalry) that Seleukids dont have, but they are also rubbish.

[RedGuard]

Goidillic units are my favorite so I will go with lusatannan or Casse