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    First. The basics. I am a girl, no older than 15. Actually, if age is of any importance to you, than it was just a few days ago that I did turn 15. I almost absolutely did not put any reference towards my age down, seeing as in past experience, I composed the idea that nobody would ever take my seriously for any reason. It is your loss, really. More times often than not, there is an undiscovered wisdom amongst all youth that the common adult does not recognize or care to indulge in. I live in a town in the United States that is dominated by suburbs, inhabited by the range of economically well off to multi-millionaires. The statistics of the towns census show an extreme domination of libertarians in comparison to republicans. That is, a non-informative label, however, enough implication to steadily back up my point. All of my friends, but one, the one who has encouraged me to bypass any fear that I have of saying what is always lingering in the back of my mind, are extreme liberals, democrats and any other classification that can be thought of that falls in the realm of egalitarian viewpoints.

    Last. My religion. My mother brought me through a childhood of believing I was of the Roman Catholic Church, where all of my religious views were set in place and several stabilities were situated as I promised my life to be fulfilled under the power of Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. My mom was close to her parents then. Her parents were devout Catholics who had their hearts set on the fact that my mother was too. My Dad and older Brother never went to church. I would always ask why, but my mom would tell me that it wasnt any of my business. I later found out they both hated anything to do with religion. My Grandparents moved to Arizona when I turned 12. After a lifetime of belonging to that one Catholic Church in particular, my mother decided as soon as my grandparents were gone that it was time to switch to a more present day refined United Methodist Church. Everything was different. During Church classes I would ask questions and make remarks on certain aspects of the system that were so different from the so believed real and only true way to worship God. Lets just be frank when I say none of the teachers or helpers there were too fond of me. I didnt make many friends at that church. Perhaps it was because I had no feeling that told me I needed to reach out to these individuals who called themselves true Christians, but put no thought towards completing a single ritual or action that showed they had particular devotion towards the one who gave his life for them. It made me sick to my stomach. After the age 13, I refused to go back to that church. Everything was so wrong. It was the first few months I had never been to church for such a long time period. I grew distant, wanting less and less to do with anyone who felt religion was real. For about a year I screwed my life over in ways that I believe now to be unimaginable in my view and all the while, I resorted to a new label of Atheism. My attitude on life was, screw the world, were all going to Hell. Recently, a few new people have put influence on my life that has helped me realize what I had put behind me in shame. There may only be a couple, but more often than not I ask the lord to bless them, for they have brought me back to him. One friend I have mentioned his favorite section from the Bible. Psalm 27. Id heard it a long time ago. This was a long way back where I was ardent towards reading the bible every night. It was, however, reading through it that very night that made me realize how powerful the lord really is. I didnt cry. My eyes welled up though. I guess religion can just do that to you. I have been regaining my Catholic faith, more religiously than ever. I wish to start up a new beginning at a close by Catholic Church where I hear some of my friends are a part of. My mother wont allow it. She doesnt like Catholicism and she restrains from allowing me the right to practice the religion I chose is important to me. My whole family is against me in many ways. They were never much for me. I never got much emotional support out of any of them anyways throughout any of my years of childhood. Sometimes my religion and believes towards anything of the matter scare me at how in depth I can analyze my religious extent to be, or in the future, to become. I have this large colorful cross that is attached to a gold chain. I take it with me everywhere and I hold it as I pray. It feels weird, talking about religion so openly. It feels as if I should be ashamed. Maybe that is coming from insecurities of my past, maybe it is just I, but I know now that nothing is to shame when talking about my religion. It is, however, the question of how much more devout I am than others, and how odd others can see my strict beliefs to be.

    it's intresting, in a way, growing up in an area and position where every single beleif i have is looked down upon, not allowed, and constantly trying to be brainwashed out of me.

    to what point is it rediculous that i have to hold my beleives to myself, secretly, and be forced to practice religions that i am not under the influence of to be even slightly accepted by all the other people surrounding me?

    thoughts?
    anyone else have similar stories?

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    Believe it or not, childhood doesn't last forever. If you're unhappy where you are, you need only hold out three or four more years, until you're an adult attending uni. At that point, you'll certainly be able to make decisions for yourself, if you're not now. At this point, I would suggest you start to develop your mind more and more so that you'll be able to make informed decisions when the time comes; you're fifteen, and you have a whole lot left to learn and grow. Don't let that time go to waste moping about whether or not your religious beliefs are being respected, because you'll eventually win on that front anyway; use that time, instead, to learn how to think and learn how to learn (I know it's cliche, but it's an art many people never master). Good luck!

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    People who fall away from their faith and then become "born again" are a dime a dozen. It's a very common story, because there's a mechanism behind it. When you're raised to believe that your religion is the bedrock of all your rules and values, then the loss of your religion causes a collapse of all your rules and values. The result is chaos; since no one ever gave you any other basis for governing your life, you end up being cast adrift, going nowhere, having no boundaries. Then, you "wake up" and realize that you were better off before, because at least then you had some kind of grounding. So you go back, but now you're 110% convinced that this is the only way to be, because you tried it "the other way" and it didn't work out. The problem is that you left one path and never picked up a new one; you just wandered until you found your original path again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Wong
    People who fall away from their faith and then become "born again" are a dime a dozen. It's a very common story, because there's a mechanism behind it. When you're raised to believe that your religion is the bedrock of all your rules and values, then the loss of your religion causes a collapse of all your rules and values. The result is chaos; since no one ever gave you any other basis for governing your life, you end up being cast adrift, going nowhere, having no boundaries. Then, you "wake up" and realize that you were better off before, because at least then you had some kind of grounding. So you go back, but now you're 110% convinced that this is the only way to be, because you tried it "the other way" and it didn't work out. The problem is that you left one path and never picked up a new one; you just wandered until you found your original path again.
    what if the old path i picked up is the path that i know is right? i could try "all the other ways" and still know that this way is the one way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynameskatrina
    what if the old path i picked up is the path that i know is right? i could try "all the other ways" and still know that this way is the one way.
    By your own admission, you "know" it's right just because you feel better when you're on it. You have no logic to back up your subjective preference, nor do you have any actual experience on other paths. Did you give Buddhism a good try, ie- for a few years? Did you try going to school and learning science, so you could understand the empirical philosophy? Nope, you wandered in the wilderness for a little while and assumed that there was no other path at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Wong
    By your own admission, you "know" it's right just because you feel better when you're on it. You have no logic to back up your subjective preference, nor do you have any actual experience on other paths. Did you give Buddhism a good try, ie- for a few years? Did you try going to school and learning science, so you could understand the empirical philosophy? Nope, you wandered in the wilderness for a little while and assumed that there was no other path at all.
    I think that was a bit harsh, your point could be toned down a little. Katrina, what was it about the Christian religion's ideologies you liked? The Ten Commandments? Many other religions and beliefs have similar principles of Christianity. You may want to explore your spirituality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ErikinWest
    I think that was a bit harsh, your point could be toned down a little.
    No more "harsh" than her saying that everyone's trying to "brainwash" and pressure her to change just because they make no secrets of their disagreements with her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynameskatrina
    what if the old path i picked up is the path that i know is right? i could try "all the other ways" and still know that this way is the one way.
    I'm not too much older than you, i'm 16. I was lucky enough to have been raised agnostic from birth, agnosticism is to not know. If I had been raised christian(the dominant religion in my area), i would imagine the transition to agnosticism as very difficult. There are many comforting beliefs at stake when losing or changing a religion, it's just like kicking a drug addiction, there may be withdrawls. You may continue with your old addiction, or start a new one to offset your old one, or just go cold turkey.



    Has anyone ever talked to a smoker? They say "I can quit whenever i want.". It's just like talking to a christian. They say "It's true because i believe it's true.". They say this as a defensive reaction because their emotions are reliant upon these things.
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    Why cant you just stop doing the things about catholicism that make you unhappy, and keep doing the things that make you happy? For instance you said when you became atheist, your attitude about the world was "Screw it, we're all gonna die". Okay but you need not have that attitude, or you can believe that but not live your life with that negativity always on your mind. And you dont have to abandon every single facet of what you learned through your religion when you swich ideologies. I dont consider myself a christian in any way but I can still see some good things in it, something worth taking and adopting for my own personal benefit. Why did you feel like becoming atheistic ruined your life so much?

    Well im reminded of some quote by some smart dead guy that goes "The more you know the more you realize you dont." 15 is real young, no matter how smart you are for your age. Btw, next time please consider spacing your paragraphs apart, it makes it much easier to read.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Wong
    By your own admission, you "know" it's right just because you feel better when you're on it. You have no logic to back up your subjective preference, nor do you have any actual experience on other paths.
    Why would you do something that makes you feel like crap?
    If she knows that she has found the right path then there is no reason to try another one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Wong
    No more "harsh" than her saying that everyone's trying to "brainwash" and pressure her to change just because they make no secrets of their disagreements with her.
    Do you not think that by not being allowed to worship as she pleases that she is being pressured?

    Quote Originally Posted by mirage41
    Why can't people just accept that Jesus died for our sins and we must let him enter our butts - I mean hearts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolveraptor
    Pardon me for being confused, but you were an atheist that believed in hell? That's not impossible, but it is extremely unusual.
    As is an athiest who believes in santa clause or leprechauns or any holy pastas. Which they all seem to do when barking at believers.

    Quote Originally Posted by I Have a Clever Name
    Probably an attempt to display how hopeless atheism made everything, because she was incapable of accepting that the only true 'purpose' in life must be artificial.
    Your opinion, not hers. It is only seen as artificial to those who refuse to see beyond what our vanity wants us to see...who refuse to open their hearts and shut their mouths.

    Quote Originally Posted by over-man
    I'm not too much older than you, i'm 16. I was lucky enough to have been raised agnostic from birth, agnosticism is to not know. If I had been raised christian(the dominant religion in my area), i would imagine the transition to agnosticism as very difficult. There are many comforting beliefs at stake when losing or changing a religion, it's just like kicking a drug addiction, there may be withdrawls. You may continue with your old addiction, or start a new one to offset your old one, or just go cold turkey.

    Has anyone ever talked to a smoker? They say "I can quit whenever i want.". It's just like talking to a christian. They say "It's true because i believe it's true.". They say this as a defensive reaction because their emotions are reliant upon these things.
    Comparing a chemical reaction in the brain to a spiritual relationship with God is a rediculous example.

    Quote Originally Posted by mynameskatrina
    anyone else have similar stories?
    Raised methodist...claim baptist (most of my friends and family are baptist)...but actually non-denominational

    I have a relationship with God based on my interperetation of the bible and my own view of how things should be. My family seems to be very supportive...at least they dont give me crap about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by over-man
    I'm not too much older than you, i'm 16. I was lucky enough to have been raised agnostic from birth, agnosticism is to not know. If I had been raised christian(the dominant religion in my area), i would imagine the transition to agnosticism as very difficult.
    Actually, when you understand science and have given yourself an intuitive notion of parsimony, it's not a big jump at all, because agnosticism can coexist with religious beliefs.

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    I think there have been some really good points raised in this discussion, but at the same time I feel many people are coming at this with an agenda. Some are trying, maybe even unknowingly, to make you change your ways. Others who feel they are being threatened by the atheists are telling you to stick to what you've got because it's Christian.

    Honestly, I'd just suggest that you do what makes you happy. I'm not a believer, but if Catholicism is what you like, then that's wonderful. Don't let other people tell you what to think. There are many paths, that's true. But if you don't want to follow them that's your business.

    And in terms of your problems right now, don't worry. Nearly everyone has a rough time in their early to mid teen years. Tons of people have parents that don't support what they believe. I myself have a friend who converted to Catholicism against her mother's wishes. Teenage angst and anxiety is universal. And, as others have said, if you can hold out for just a few more years you'll be free to do what you want. Alternatively, you might begin to think that your parents were right later on. It varies from person to person, so all I can say is that if you feel something is absolutely right, then for you it probably is. And if that changes, then you'll have no trouble finding another path that's good for you.

    Just realize that your parents are doing what they think is best for you, and that it is merely out of love for you. It's what parents do. :original:


    EDIT: this thread is beginning to look like another flame war. If you've got some assinine intolerant comment or some sort of argument against another belief, then keep it to yourself. That applies to everyone.

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    Life's a *****. Deal with it.

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    Try being a Christian in an Islamic theocracy, then you'll realise what it means to not have your beliefs accepted. Alternatively, trying being an atheist in Kansas.

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    I'm Pagan and people in my street don't like it but hey it's my life and i agree with pacsubcam Life's a *****. Deal with it.

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    There are no Catholic Churchs on Arizona??

    I don't agree my life is not a **** yet...gimme some time :tooth:

    Anyway you'll find a lot of troubles on your life...but generally you will resolve them, you only need some time. People sucks in a lot of countries, and it is because God have created internet to allow us to meet kind foreigners and to **** off that bastards!!

    Well enough rude words today

    God luck to resolve your troubles
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitman Blood Money
    Deal with it.
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    Deal with it.
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    I resorted to a new label of Atheism. My attitude on life was, screw the world, were all going to Hell.
    Pardon me for being confused, but you were an atheist that believed in hell? That's not impossible, but it is extremely unusual.

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    Pardon me for being confused, but you were an atheist that believed in hell? That's not impossible, but it is extremely unusual.
    Probably an attempt to display how hopeless atheism made everything, because she was incapable of accepting that the only true 'purpose' in life must be artificial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mynameskatrina
    First. The basics. I am a girl, no older than 15. Actually, if age is of any importance to you, than it was just a few days ago that I did turn 15. I almost absolutely did not put any reference towards my age down, seeing as in past experience, I composed the idea that nobody would ever take my seriously for any reason. It is your loss, really.
    This place is pretty good in regards to ignoring traditional views of age as corrollating with intellectual ability.

    I have this large colorful cross that is attached to a gold chain. I take it with me everywhere and I hold it as I pray. It feels weird, talking about religion so openly. It feels as if I should be ashamed. Maybe that is coming from insecurities of my past, maybe it is just I, but I know now that nothing is to shame when talking about my religion. It is, however, the question of how much more devout I am than others, and how odd others can see my strict beliefs to be.
    Maybe they feel, that your cross makes you feel that you are slightly superior to them?

    In my experience people who, for the best of intentions, show an example of their "religiousness" by that sort of symbolism are usually viewed as (incorrectly, possibly), having a "holier-than-thou" attitude - particually as that is so often the public conception of the Catholic church. Worth bearing in mind perhaps.

    to what point is it rediculous that i have to hold my beleives to myself, secretly, and be forced to practice religions that i am not under the influence of to be even slightly accepted by all the other people surrounding me?

    thoughts?
    Personally I think that it is reasonable for parents/guardians to teach their children their set of beliefs. Should they enforce them? No, IMO. But they should teach them - just as they would teach almost-universally-accepted moral judgements such as not killing e.t.c.

    anyone else have similar stories?
    I, for one, don't.

    For the record; I'm a 14 year old kid who tends to be inclined towards the teaching of the Bible, in a literal fashion. I don't agree with the prominent church movements on most things, however, as I think that the church has ignored the findings of philosophical thought to much. In that way I suppose I have a somewhat unusual - though doubtless not unique - view on the matter.

    Good post, btw.

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