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    Default Laptop Purchasing Advice for Medieval TW Please

    I am buying a laptop for college—a relatively cheap gaming laptop--with a mid-range dedicated GPU!

    I have tried to research the differences between them, but could use some expert advice, especially as to how these might work with the Medieval Total War engine, which as I understand it is limited to using just one core.

    I am also interested as to how these might work with the newer Total War games, and even Paradox’s Crusader Kings II, but primarily I am interested in optimizing for Stainless Steel and other Medieval II mods.

    Two options from Newegg:

    Acer Aspire AS7560G-7622 Notebook AMD A-Series A6-3420M(1.5GHz) 17.3" 6GB Memory DDR3 1066 500GB HDD 5400rpm DVD Super Multi AMD Radeon HD 7670M for $529.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834215390

    Acer Aspire V3-771G-6601 Notebook Intel Core i5 2450M(2.50GHz) 17.3" 6GB Memory 500GB HDD 5400rpm DVD Super Multi NVIDIA GeForce GT 630M for $679.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834215407

    Of the two above, I imagine the latter is better. But by just a little, or considerably? How would the CPUs and GPUs compare in regard to Medieval II Total War with the Stainless Steel Mod and BGRV?

    I am also considering an Acer AS7741G-6426 17.3-Inch with a 2.66 GHz Intel Core i5-480M dual-core processor and ATI Mobility Radeon HD 6550M graphics, but this may no longer be available new. Saw several refurbished for about $525 a few weeks ago.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...F8&me=&seller=

    Alas, only last weekend did I pick up this below from Fry’s. I believe that I was sorely had. I haven’t opened the box yet, and intend to return it ASAP. I am not mistaken about the poor choice here, am I?

    HP Pavilion dv7-6c23cl Notebook AMD A-Series A8-3520M(1.6GHz) 17.3" 6GB Memory 750GB HDD 5400rpm DVD Super Multi AMD Radeon HD 6620G. Refurbished for about $500.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834158412

    Thanks for any advice from Stainless Steelers. I am so looking forward to SS 7.0, Dominion of the Sword, and Europa Barbarorum II!
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    Default Re: Laptop Purchasing Advice for Stainless Steel Please

    could you fill this out?

    I have already asked to the mods to move this to the basement section, you get more help there. But to the point none of those are gaming notebooks, they only have entry mid range gpus, which are going to be enough to play old games, but not good enough to play smoothly new releases from the total war franchise, I would also avoid any AMD cpus, since they are slow and are rated terribly with the newer total war games (i.e. empire on ward)

    I would also avoid acer entirely.

    it appears that you are into 17'' I do advise you that you will probably be carrying the notebook with you to classes (I do this, its a god send), thus a more mobile would be better, I do prefer 13'' a lot of people go for the 15'' ones. I would also try not to go over 2.5-3kg in weight for the notebook, since the psu is also going to weight accordingly to the power of the notebook, i.e a 180w psu is going to weight around 500-700g, you are also going to carry books, and booze weights a lot as well.

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    Default Re: Laptop Purchasing Advice for Stainless Steel Please

    1) What is your budget?

    500 to 700 dollars.

    2) What size notebook would you prefer?

    17"+ as my eyesight is very poor.

    3) Where will you buying this notebook?

    Washington State, USA.

    4) Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?

    No.

    5) Would you consider laptops that are refurbished/redistributed?

    Yes, the cheaper the better.

    6) What are the primary tasks will you be performing with this notebook?

    Writing papers and playing Medieval II Total War—Stainless Steel Mod.

    7) Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places, leaving it on your desk or both?

    To class and the library, but I am 6’2” and think I can handle any weight.

    8) Will you be playing games on your notebook? If so, please state which games or types of games?

    Primarily Medieval II Total War Mods at highest settings. The mods will usually include BGRV. Maybe Crusader Kings II or other more recent Total War Games. Perhaps Distant Worlds or Scourge of War: Gettysburg. Strategy games.

    9) How many hours of battery life do you need?

    Not important.

    10) Would you prefer to see the notebooks you're considering before purchasing it or buying a notebook on-line without seeing it is OK?

    Online is okay.

    11) What OS do you prefer? Windows (XP or Vista or Windows 7), Mac OS, Linux, etc.

    Whatever is best for gaming—I suppose that would be Windows 7.

    12) From the choices below, what screen resolution(s) would you prefer? Keep in mind screen size in conjunction with resolution will play a large role in overall viewing comfort level. Everyone is different. Some like really small text, while others like their text big and easy to read. Click here for Screen resolution information.

    Midrange to Maximum, but I suppose Midrange is most feasible in my price range.

    13) Do you want a Glossy/reflective screen or a Matte/non-glossy screen?

    Matt would be preferable—easier on the eyes, I would believe.

    Build Quality and Design

    14) Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you?

    No, however aluminum case would be cool, but price and capability are more important.

    15) When are you buying this laptop?

    ASAP.

    16) How long do you want this laptop to last?

    A few good years.

    17) How much hard drive space do you need; 80GB to 640GB? Do you want a SSD drive?

    Not important, as I can always hook up external.

    18) Do you need an optical drive? If yes, a DVD Burner, Blu-ray Reader or Blu-Ray Burner?

    No.
    Last edited by Kilgore Trout; September 05, 2012 at 09:16 PM.

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    One thing that you are confusing is the size of the versus what you can fit in a screen, for example there are a lot of 1080p screens that are 15'' those are for me a good size to have a 1080p screen, to get it straight if you have a FHD tv in your home its the same res as your TV. I do prefer the 13'' 1080p screen on the sony vaio Z.

    The idea here is to make you look comfortably at the screen without squinting your eyes, I do have a terrible eyesight, and I used a vaio z2 (1080p screen in a 13''), but basically my advice is to go to a store and to check the notebooks that are available in there, look for the res of each notebook and try to see how it fares to you

    Ok, the dv7 might be a good option, and the asus n76, the envy 17 (there is a promo, actually there is always a promo for this model and the dv6 and dv7 as well), the envy 15, the sony vaio s15, the clevo w170er (check for resellers like xoticpc, gentech, mythlogic, malibal, rjtech), the msi gt 70 (also check last years model, I saw one in newegg for 650, that is one hell of a bang for the buck), the new inspiron n1710, the msi ge60 and ge70

    Ultimately your best bets, would be too look for the vaio s15 (sometimes the price goes lower, but its usually around 800-900), the dv6 and the dv7 (there are always coupons floating around) the clevo w170er or the w150er (quote price between the resellers), the inspiron n1710

    good gpus would be the 7750m for amd or the 640m to 650m from nvidia, if you find something like a 630m, 620m they are EXTREMELY old tech that nvidia is using for 3 years now, the 7670m and 7690m are also rebrands from AMD, if you find a 570m, buy it, since that gpu is going to be about as good as it gets in your budget (hint at the msi gt 70)

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    Default Re: Laptop Purchasing Advice for Stainless Steel Please

    Karamazovmm,

    Thank you so much for your help. I have been looking at some of your recommendations, but they generally seem to be a bit more expensive. I will continue to see what I can do about understanding the differences and finding one that has been refurbished or is otherwise on sale.

    However, of the four I listed in my first post, the last of which (HP) I already have and must return by Friday if I am to do so, which would you recommend?


    Acer Aspire AS7560G-7622 Notebook AMD A-Series A6-3420M(1.5GHz) 17.3" 6GB Memory DDR3 1066 500GB HDD 5400rpm DVD Super Multi AMD Radeon HD 7670M for $529.

    Acer Aspire V3-771G-6601 Notebook Intel Core i5 2450M(2.50GHz) 17.3" 6GB Memory 500GB HDD 5400rpm DVD Super Multi NVIDIA GeForce GT 630M for $679.

    Acer AS7741G-6426 17.3-Inch with a 2.66 GHz Intel Core i5-480M dual-core processor and ATI Mobility Radeon HD 6550M graphics, used or possible refurbished for about $525.

    HP Pavilion dv7-6c23cl Notebook AMD A-Series A8-3520M(1.6GHz) 17.3" 6GB Memory 750GB HDD 5400rpm DVD Super Multi AMD Radeon HD 6620G. Refurbished for about $500.

    Isn't the HP by far the worst deal of the lot, as the GPU is integrated? I cannot find any reviews for this unit. Please help, as I must return it soon if it is as bad, when compared to the others I listed that do have dedicated GPUs, as I think it is.

    Thanks!
    Last edited by Kilgore Trout; September 06, 2012 at 01:58 AM.

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    Default Re: Laptop Purchasing Advice for Medieval TW Please

    those acers are probably going to fall apart. I have said and will say again, no amd cpus, those underperform heavily against intel ones, so return the dv7.

    I took a look at the dell outlet

    http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnlineS...&puid=526b57cb

    this is a good buy, any of those. its the new inspiron 15 SE

    also I found a 8560w in the hp outlet, at 624 its a bargain

    btw HD+ is 1600*900 res, in a 15'' is a good res. I do prefer 1080p. Some of the 8560w offer the dream color 2 screen, which is the best IPS panel screen in notebooks, its also a 1k upgrade from the regular model.
    Last edited by karamazovmm; September 06, 2012 at 09:54 AM.

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