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    Default Judge orders sex change for Massachusetts MURDER convict

    http://news.yahoo.com/judge-orders-s...165858350.html

    It's crap like this that really makes my blood boil.

    Since when should the taxpayers have to foot the bill for a convict, who MURDERED his wife, to get a sex change? Why should the state have to comply with this?

    This guy killed his wife, spends years in prison, and is now going to be receiving a surgery that costs thousands of dollars, free of charge.

    Wherever you lean politically, I think we can all agree this guy does not deserve it. If anything, the judge that ruled it and the lawyer for Robert Kosilek should have to pay for it. His excuse is absurd. If he thinks he'd be happier as a woman, good for him, but it should not cost the state.
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    <-Doesn't live in Massachusetts. Doesn't care.

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    <- Lives in Massachusetts, doesn't care.

    My tax dollars go to far worse things than giving some random skell hormone treatments.

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    Default Re: Judge orders sex change for Massachusetts MURDER convict

    Quote Originally Posted by frozenprince View Post
    <- Lives in Massachusetts, doesn't care.

    My tax dollars go to far worse things than giving some random skell hormone treatments.
    It's not hormone treatments now, it's a full blown sex change surgery.

    You may not care, but why should you have to pay for a murderer to get his jollies with fake female parts?
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    Default Re: Judge orders sex change for Massachusetts MURDER convict

    Quote Originally Posted by Gen. Chris View Post
    It's not hormone treatments now, it's a full blown sex change surgery.

    All it takes is just a pair of scissors.

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    Default Re: Judge orders sex change for Massachusetts MURDER convict

    Quote Originally Posted by Imperial View Post
    All it takes is just a pair of scissors.
    According to google images, this is not the case.











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    Default Re: Judge orders sex change for Massachusetts MURDER convict

    Quote Originally Posted by I WUB PUGS View Post
    According to google images, this is not the case.
    No need to over complicate things. The simplest way is usually the best way.

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    Default Re: Judge orders sex change for Massachusetts MURDER convict

    And here I was hoping this was some new kind of punishment.

    But yes, it's stupid that taxpayer money are wasted on things like this.

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    The judge got it right: (1) The state is obliged to provide adequate medical treatment to prisoners; (2) Gender identity disorder is real and often has very severe consequences like extreme self mutilation and suicide; (3) Gender reassignment is the only effective treatment for severe cases. If you put those three points together the ruling in this case is just an obvious application of current law.

    Personally I think murderers should be hanged, but if you are going to keep them locked up instead then you have to provide medical treatment, and gender reassignment is the standard treatment for a real psychiatric illness.

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    Default Re: Judge orders sex change for Massachusetts MURDER convict

    Quote Originally Posted by DimeBagHo View Post
    The judge got it right: (1) The state is obliged to provide adequate medical treatment to prisoners; (2) Gender identity disorder is real and often has very severe consequences like extreme self mutilation and suicide; (3) Gender reassignment is the only effective treatment for severe cases. If you put those three points together the ruling in this case is just an obvious application of current law.

    Personally I think murderers should be hanged, but if you are going to keep them locked up instead then you have to provide medical treatment, and gender reassignment is the standard treatment for a real psychiatric illness.
    Isn't a sex change operation considered a cosmetic change, instead of being health related? I don't see, how his health is going to become better by a sex change. If you claim that the change will stop him from self mutilation and suicide that could be applied to a lot of other surgical operations, which are considered pure cosmetics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeneas Veneratio View Post
    Isn't a sex change operation considered a cosmetic change, instead of being health related? I don't see, how his health is going to become better by a sex change. If you claim that the change will stop him from self mutilation and suicide that could be applied to a lot of other surgical operations, which are considered pure cosmetics.
    Mental health is still health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack04 View Post
    Mental health is still health.
    And all criminals are mentally sick that's why they commit crimes.

    Why don't we just shut down prisons and build free hospitals for them instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aqd View Post
    And all criminals are mentally sick that's why they commit crimes.
    Just because someone commits a crime does not mean they are mentally ill. That's a quite ridiculous assertion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aqd View Post
    And all criminals are mentally sick that's why they commit crimes.
    Considering that in this day and age it is government that defines what is criminal and what isn't, the implications of that statement are disturbingly Orwellian.

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    Default Re: Judge orders sex change for Massachusetts MURDER convict

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack04 View Post
    Mental health is still health.
    If I had received my doctor's recommendation of getting eye surgery due to my mental health (improved confidence and all that), I wouldn't object to some lowlife getting a free sex change due to the same reason... But, he called it a cosmetic change not some BS about being good for one's mental health and therefore not justifiable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeneas Veneratio View Post
    If I had received my doctor's recommendation of getting eye surgery due to my mental health (improved confidence and all that), I wouldn't object to some lowlife getting a free sex change due to the same reason... But, he called it a cosmetic change not some BS about being good for one's mental health and therefore not justifiable.
    Except that this is a recognised psychological condition. Not just a matter of "improving confidence". It is defined as a mental health issue and is therefore the responsibility of whomsoever is responsible for the individual's health. Seems pretty straightforward really.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DimeBagHo View Post
    The judge got it right: (1) The state is obliged to provide adequate medical treatment to prisoners; (2) Gender identity disorder is real and often has very severe consequences like extreme self mutilation and suicide; (3) Gender reassignment is the only effective treatment for severe cases. If you put those three points together the ruling in this case is just an obvious application of current law.

    Personally I think murderers should be hanged, but if you are going to keep them locked up instead then you have to provide medical treatment, and gender reassignment is the standard treatment for a real psychiatric illness.
    Pretty much this. The waste of money is keeping him alive, but if thats whats being done and their are rules about medical treatment, this is the logical thing to do.
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    Well in a sadistic twist they could just end up giving him a larger penis and testosterone pills.
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    This is a lesson to all of you. If you come down with a a really bad health ailment and don't have the money to afford the surgery...just murder someone and We The People will foot the bill for you. But you have to murder someone, anyone, because otherwise we aren't helping you out with and you're gonna have to pay for your own fake vag.

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