End of Antiquity Campaign: The First Crusade (612 - 710)

[AnthoniusII]

Actually helmets changed to simplier after the loss of Syria by Arabs.
But you can have helmet that never stoped to use.
Casis.
Its the helmet that our general uses in the pic:


Casis was used from 2nd century up to 1204 atleast.
From 5th century casis helmets were decorated with crests for officers of generals.


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[Razor]

This reinactor is what I'm jiving at for elite line infantry recruitable in diocese capital.

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That's a re-enactor from the Fectio re-enactment group doing 4th and 5th century Romans and he's wearing a (bad) replica of the Deurne helmet which is dated around 320 AD.

For early Byzantine you're better off with this even though it's a little bit before your mod's time frame (around 530 AD):

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Actually helmets changed to simplier after the loss of Syria by Arabs.
But you can have helmet that never stoped to use.
Casis.
Its the helmet that our general uses in the pic:

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Casis was used from 2nd century up to 1204 atleast.
From 5th century casis helmets were decorated with crests for officers of generals.

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A cassis you mean? To my knowledge that wasn't a specific type of model but rather a generic Latin term for 'helmet'.

[Aura]

Hey guys really nice mod and superb looking units.
Is there any mapper in your mod team? If it isn't I would like to join to the team as a mapper if you want?

PS: I can do 2D art too

[karaislam]

Hey guys really nice mod and superb looking units.
Is there any mapper in your mod team? If it isn't I would like to join to the team as a mapper if you want?

PS: I can do 2D art too

thank u my friend we ll consider ur offer.

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senin haritalarını çok beğeniyorum.bana kalsa katılmalısın.moda adamları-elemanları ben alıyorum ama yinede mod liderine bi soruyim sana dönerim ben.senin moduna baktım twt sitesinde.bizim birimlerden baya kullanıyorsun.yalnız arada birkaç model gördüm.sanırım sen yapmışsın.gayet hoş olmuşlar.ben sana dönerim kardeş.

That's a re-enactor from the Fectio re-enactment group doing 4th and 5th century Romans and he's wearing a (bad) replica of the Deurne helmet which is dated around 320 AD.

For early Byzantine you're better off with this even though it's a little bit before your mod's time frame (around 530 AD):

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A cassis you mean? To my knowledge that wasn't a specific type of model but rather a generic Latin term for 'helmet'.

thread returned to a history lesson.what a pitty i dont know anything or any interest about romans and their history.

[Razor]

Well it's pretty important to know how the units approximately looked like. Especially for modelers and skinners because they're the ones actually making them... .

This was rather in the good direction already:

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[Despotes Alpharius]

Fantastic preview Claudillo!

[karaislam]

well i already began to learn how roman looks like from ur units-pictures plus caudillo87's units.but i ll focus on arabs and turks.

[Alkimachos]

You're on a very good road Caudillo. At least about the helmets, trust me. In EoR we had a nice "fight" about the "helmet issue" about the Skoutatoi unit.
I will give you our conclusion about this and will fit in your era as well.

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You can use this type which you already have:

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The Spangehelm type:

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And a third type which after a long research found.

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(don't give attention on a and b examples of the 1st picture)

I wish you Good Luck

[Caudillo87]

The dizis paintings are exactly what I made, the pictures that you have is exactly what I made. I just don't like the way they came out. Avar roster is more or less done, I just need to make characters and standard bearers. I appreciate your support Im just torn about how they look like. So the pics I posted are a no then.

[Caudillo87]

Also, for the David Plates, also in concord's eastern Romans, it shows helmets with cap covers, how would you guys interpret this?

[Razor]

Also, for the David Plates, also in concord's eastern Romans, it shows helmets with cap covers, how would you guys interpret this?

I'd interpret is as troublesome.

But seriously, I have no idea. You could also leave it be for now.

[Caudillo87]

This is base line infantryman



This is superior line infantryman

So this is what I have as base models for my Romans, archers are the same only with bows.

[Caudillo87]

On a different note, here are previews of one of Persia's elite warriors, The Golden Spears!

The Golden Spears are only mentioned by Theophanes in his Chronographia and since it is written in his history I decided to add them and make them Persia's elite footmen. They will only be recruitable in the royal enclosure at Dastagard and be able to fight with their trademark weapon as well as a sword and will be able to stand toe to toe with most Roman Infantry. In addition to the Golden Spears I will also add a royal archer guard unit that will be recruitable only in Ctesiphon - I do not have a name for them but I do have blueprints ready to be assembled.

As you may know, there is absolutely nothing at all in terms of how this units would look like so I took 100% artistic license on its design. It is heavily based on tabletop wargames so I added different types of color on their tunics to make them seem more elite. Let me know what you guys think and I will be glad to alter this unit.

[Alkimachos]

I like your current infatntry models. The whole style looks fine Historically to my eyes.

About helmets, what i will do is to put in one unit various type of helmets. Sth that you could do as well...

@Razor, i'm not sure but the third type looks like a remnant of the old Roman Imperial style.

[Razor]

I agree with Alkimachos. The Romans basically look pretty good. Helmet variations could be easily done. For the first one spangenhelmet without a nasal for example. For the second one, you could also give him a completely gilded spangenhelmet and one with just the browband and the vertical bands (spangen) gilded. Then the armour. For elite you could use gilded scale and silvered scale armour. You could implement color variations in the pteryges, tunics etc. etc.

The Sassanid unit looks good, though I have to admit that I know very little about them.

I like your current infatntry models. The whole style looks fine Historically to my eyes.

About helmets, what i will do is to put in one unit various type of helmets. Sth that you could do as well...

@Razor, i'm not sure but the third type looks like a remnant of the old Roman Imperial style.

Hmmm. I wouldn't consider them remnants from the older Roman Imperial helmets because they dropped out of use from about the late 3rd century. Perhaps it's just a new model then. But I wonder why they are constructed in one piece while the whole tendency during the late Roman empire was to make the production process of helmets faster and cheaper and started to construct helmets with bowls consisting of several parts.

[Legio]

Very nice Golden Spears!

[AnthoniusII]

If i remember well i sent you my image pack of relative warriors.
Didn't I?
So let's start from line infantry mainly known as scutati.
Actually each battalion of these millitias had two parts.
The main soldiers

and those that could afford better equipment or they gained that equipment durring former campaigns and there for they were more expirient too. These last guys were placed always in the front lines(ranks) of the infantry formations and they were know as Promachoi (those that fight first). These names have NOTHING to do with each unit's original name though. Scutati and Promachoi are generic names.


Ussualy Promachoi used longer chain mails and larger shields.
Avoid scale armors for regular infantry but only for officers and other characters. Also avoid completly lammelar armors for infantry but only for ellite cavalry.
Exelent work so far my friend.

[Caudillo87]

Yeah the first unit was based on your picture as you can see and the second one influenced this unit with the longer scale coat as you can see...

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I have two helmet types for each unit and the petruges have different variations as well for superior line infantry. Scale armor and lamellar armor are reserved for guard units recruitable only at Constantinople or at Exarchate capitals.

[karaislam]

a little announcement.my dear turkish friend aura joined to our team as a mapper.welcome-hoşgeldin aslanım.

[legio_XX]

a little announcement.my dear turkish friend aura joined to our team as a mapper.welcome-hoşgeldin aslanım.

Keep up the good work guys!!

All of the units above me look amazing!