Should the Western Cape Secede from South Africa

[Sogdog]

A question for any fellow South Africans, and anyone who is interested. The Western Cape is well run under the leadership of the DA. he rest of South Africa wallows in misery and incompetence under the "leadership" of the ANC. Unemployment is lower in the Western Cape than the rest of the ANC. Investment in the Western Cape is starting make the rest of SA look a joke. The DA is progressive while the ANC is just another typical post-revolutionary "party" that can't divorce itself from the past nor can it successfully compete in the 21st Century.

I live in Joburg and am amazed at how much incompetence there is here. The billing crisis is just one horrible example. I am finding it harder and harder to defend Joburg against Cape Townians! Should the Western Cape go it alone?

[6644kp]

The whites should create their own nation another Orange Free State or Transvaal Republic. It would quickly expose the rest of SA as a joke like other African nations.

Sit Nomine Digna

[Veliky Kaiser Theos]

There is only one good reason for an area to secede: a referendum held in the area in favour of secession.

[Lord Thesaurian]

The whites should create their own nation another Orange Free State or Transvaal Republic. It would quickly expose the rest of SA as a joke like other African nations.

Sit Nomine Digna

Boer War, anyone? The Bank of England and Cecil Rhodes didn't much like Dutch separatist ideas then, and I doubt it would be different the second time around. Perhaps now that the Empire is dead the Dutch could try it again. In any case, Go Team Oranje

[ivan_the_terrible]

Ah yes, secession and independence for all!

Cape Town should be independent. So should Johannesburg, and Durban and Petoria. But why stop at the bigger cities?? Let any village that holds a 'referendum' become its own country! Self-determination for all!

[SLN445]

Less smaller states and more bigger unified ones.

[Sogdog]

THere is a group of Afrikaaners that have effectivel set up their own town and surrounding area and have called it Oranje. It is for white Afrikaaners only and they want the ANC to grant them Statehood. ANC said no obviously. The Western Cape have a party called the Cape Party that took part in the last elections. They stated that if they won the Western Cape they would start the seccession process. I think they got around 4% of the vote. Generally speaking we all want SA to work and do well, as a country we have come through so much to just toss it all away. Yet that is exactly what it feels like the ANC are busy doing. They have destroyed education, they are trying to destroy private enterprise, they want to rewrite the constitution so that is gives them carte blanche to do what they please. They don't like to see Whites involved too much in fixing the country's problems. They want to get rid of private healthcare while the state hospitals are a sad joke. They can't even run a state company, what the hell gives them the idea they know whats best for our country!

[Vizsla]

Secede now before South Africa becomes even worse than Tanzania.
Will the ANC allow this to happen? Probably not. It’s worth a try though. What have you got to lose?
If it doesn’t work out then emigrate.

[Derpy Hooves]

Hmm let's see what we have here

The whites should create their own nation another Orange Free State or Transvaal Republic. It would quickly expose the rest of SA as a joke like other African nations.

Sit Nomine Digna

Less smaller states and more bigger unified ones.

Agreed. We are all humans are we not?

THere is a group of Afrikaaners that have effectivel set up their own town and surrounding area and have called it Oranje. It is for white Afrikaaners only and they want the ANC to grant them Statehood. ANC said no obviously. The Western Cape have a party called the Cape Party that took part in the last elections. They stated that if they won the Western Cape they would start the seccession process. I think they got around 4% of the vote. Generally speaking we all want SA to work and do well, as a country we have come through so much to just toss it all away. Yet that is exactly what it feels like the ANC are busy doing. They have destroyed education, they are trying to destroy private enterprise, they want to rewrite the constitution so that is gives them carte blanche to do what they please. They don't like to see Whites involved too much in fixing the country's problems. They want to get rid of private healthcare while the state hospitals are a sad joke. They can't even run a state company, what the hell gives them the idea they know whats best for our country!

By having ideas for a separated Afrkaan country, you too are holding onto past ideas. I can seer why the ANC hasn't moved on, the rest of SA hasn't moved on either.

[Sogdog]

Probably not. This is a party that grew up during the soviet era and sees any type of dissent as a challenge. What makes us different to the rest of Africa is that we have a civil society (much to the ANC's disgust), we have an independent judiciary (again to the ANC's disgust), we have an independent press and freedom of speech (again the ANC hates this) and there are way more people here that simply won't walk away without a fight. We also have an educated Middle Class that crosses all racial boundaries (this the ANC can't get its head around). Emigrating is the last and final option. This is my country and I be damned if I am going to let them drive it into the ground like the rest of Africa!

[removeduser_487563287433]

I think the best example of how much better WC is run is how they refused to implement Mbeki's insanely murderous HIV policy.

[Sphere]

I think the best example of how much better WC is run is how they refused to implement Mbeki's insanely murderous HIV policy.

Mbeki's policy only lead to the deaths of a few hundred thousand people. In Africa that is called Thursday.

[Sogdog]

Mbheki was great compared to the moron we have now. Old "LovePants" Zuma is a disaster. He has invited the commies and Labour Unions into government and we all know how damaging these dinosaurs are! As for the community of Oranje I think Hooves has misunderstood me. I was merely pointing out this fact not endorsing it. And anyway why can't the Afrikaaner have his own cultural identity, the ANC sure is trying to shove their identity down everyones throat! SA is not moving forward, backward if anything! The ANC is endorsing racist nationalistsic populist ideas to cover up how incompetent they are at national level. It is no wonder an idea of a separate Western Cape starts to surface!

[athanaric]

And anyway why can't the Afrikaaner have his own cultural identity, the ANC sure is trying to shove their identity down everyones throat! SA is not moving forward, backward if anything! The ANC is endorsing racist nationalistsic populist ideas to cover up how incompetent they are at national level. It is no wonder an idea of a separate Western Cape starts to surface!

Because surely you must see that the new Zulu hegemony enforced by Zulu thugs is so much better than the previous Anglo-Dutch hegemony enforced by Anglo-Dutch thugs...

[Treize]

Oh just wait for Malema.

[Ulyaoth]

Anyone who wants to be independent has the right to be so. Stop with the topics about various regions in every country, and just support freedom for all.

[Admiral Piett]

With the recent events in SA, it might not be such a bad idea.

[Caelifer_1991]

Seems like whenever a disparity appears between various areas of a country, be it economic, political, military, or whatever, people start marching for seperatism. If that process occured every time and for everyone we'd all just end up a world of individuals, each our own State. That may sound nice to some, but States are necessary for a long list of processes and services needed on a national level in order to attain any level of efficiency or reliability, as well as for security. In other words, no, I don't think that one part of South Africa should secede from the rest just cos it's doing better at the moment. SA should work through it's problems via the democratic process and move on from it's past.

[Ulyaoth]

But when there's little hope for the 'democratic process' to work in an area, why shouldn't an area escape the problems of the rest of the nation?

[Caelifer_1991]

In what ways is it not working? I'm no expert on the matter, so feel free to enlighten me. Generally speaking though I'd call that a reason to reform the system, not abandon it and the obligation to everyone everywhere else in the country instead of using the influence that being a more successful part of the country can bring.