Papal Election Error

[Lin117]

Having just held the papal elections, a cardinal with 5 votes from a faction I was at war with beat out the cardinal I had voted for, my allies, who received 6 votes total. Did I miss something?

These guys are worse than Bush.

[PapaRosario]

I believe it is not the number of votes that count, but the number of factions that vote for each guy.

[Ishiro]

Do you realize you can BUY other factions votes RIGHT? How you may ask? Through diplomacy. During the election you can click on other factions icons in the Election window and select go to diplomacy or something like that and demand them to vote for your Cardinal, you'll have to put some serious cash at play to achieve that goal though. But something very important to remember if your Cardinal or the predilect Cardinal it's as old as Mathusalen it's not worth it.

[PapaRosario]

Buying votes is not worth it. You get +4 crosses if your own Cardinal is elected Pope. That is the only benefit. You can get the same +4 crosses by giving the Pope 20 thousand gold. I'm not exactly sure how much it costs to buy votes, but I remember recently trying to buy one vote just to see how much it would cost, and they wouldn't even take 10k for one vote.

So you are very likely going to be better off just giving the Pope money.

[Lin117]

Oh, I know you can buy votes. My point simply was my guy should have won based on number of votes, but didn't.

I'm not sure about it being based on number of countries who vote for a cardinal as opposed to number of cardinals, I'm certain that's not the case in vanilla but it may be with SS and I didn't notice.

[PapaRosario]

This was also the case in Vanilla. Here are a couple of posts of people who had the same problem in Vanilla.

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...49#post8109049
http://shoguntotalwar.yuku.com/topic/60307#.UEXHr9ZlRK0

As you can see, in both cases, the guy in second place (who wins) has the most factions rather than the most votes.

[Ishiro]

I'm pretty sure the votes are made by Cardinals, that's why some factions have more than one vote, because some factions have more than one Cardinal. Therefore if one faction chooses a Cardinal maybe some of thier own or of other faction, the votes for that Cardinal will be exactly the same as the number of Cardinals that faction possess.

For example if England has 4 Cardinals, and England votes for another Faction's Cardinal; let's say Denmark, then the votes of England will be 4 votes in favor of Denmark's Cardinal.

But yeah i believe you are right Papa, according to the pictures it's the Cardinal with most factions supporting him that gets to be elected. Votes of the same faction don't count for nothing essentially.

[PapaRosario]

I don't think you understand what I said. What I'm saying is that the number of votes does not seem to matter It seems to be the number of factions that matter. If you can provide me a screenshot where one faction has more votes, but less factions, and still wins, then I will retract my statement.

[Ishiro]

Votes of the same faction don't count for nothing essentially.

Correction to myself, they do count IF 2 or more Cardinals have the same number of Factions supporting them. Then they would count as a deciding factor.

[Lin117]

Yeah, Papa seems to be right. I dunno how I never noticed this before now though.

[Duck of Death]

Ive had this happen before as well, however many more times Ive had 3-4 different factions (with 1 cardinal each) vote for one guy but a different guy that only I support (with my 5-6 cardinals) wins.

So thats one faction (me with 5 votes) winning over another cardinal who got 4 votes from 3-4 different factions. Many times thats happened. I know Ive never lost a vote when Ive had 7+ cardinals regardless if the other six all vote for a different guy.