Elephants are ridiculous!

[Emperor Hantscher]

How in the heck is any army supposed to beat The Rajputs and their elephants! I am fighting a battle right now I had to stop to get this of my chest. I managed to isolate a small elephant group with only 16 unarmored elephants and I surrounded it will all my cavalry, 200 horses total, After a long melee I had lost well over half if not 3/4 of my cavalry while only killing ONE STINKIN' ELEPHANT!!! Before hitting with my cavalry I used all my arrows on them without killing a single elephant. Now that almost all my cavalry is gone there is still these 15 elephants, another group of 16 elephants as well as the Guards group of about 24 or so ARMORED ELEPHANTS!! Come on, they are just animals not freakin' Abrams tanks here. Yea so let's see, by this ratio of about 120 horses to 1 elephant killed i'll need about another 6000 horses to kill all these bastards! SERIOUSLY??

Another complaint about elephants I found funny. During a siege battle, a group of elephants just parked in front of my gates. I had destroyed all of the enemy's siege equipment so it was just a matter of running out the clock before I won. Anyways, these elephants were in front of my gate for almost the entire hour of the battle, taking a constant beating from my arrow towers and not a single elephant died.


Does anyone know how to kill these beasts?

[m_1512]

You see, the point of Rajputs using elephants was that they were tough animals indeed. Later with the advent of guns, the situation changed. Also, of you watch a bit of animal planet or natgeo or whaever, you will know that an elephant in rage is about the most dangerous thing indeed.

[wudang_clown]

Don't shout, just use javelins to kill them. It's that easy.

EDIT: Woah, that was a double kick, M!

[megalitho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az7BHp4rbXY#t=01m50s

[Emperor Hantscher]

I guess I need to start stockpiling some javelin units. For some reason I just don't like using javelin units, I know how effective they can be I just don't have them in my armies.

Well thanks guys, hopefully I can get enough javelin units before the Rajputs overthrow me.

[wudang_clown]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az7BHp4rbXY#t=01m50s

Yeah, I forgot about that masterpiece.

I think you don't need that many units. Try to use them carefully, as they are slow to throw, and you can be hit by a charge before delivering damage to the enemy.

[raven63]

Isn't the main reason war elephants even existed is how effective they are in scaring away horses?
Only very few horses have enough testicles to confront a raging elephant.
ANyWay, countering elephants with cavalry is not the brightest idea now is it?

[brapollo]

Ancient Roman war manuals point out that horseman carrying javelins are indeed a good way to counter elephants. I didn't believe it until I read it (in Tacitus I think).

[duce13]

Javelins or even better - mounted javeliners. The mounted version is easier to manage. Another tip - use elephants on them (mercenary or from some indian settlements). Yet another tip - ballista. They actually die suprisingly quick from a well delivered javelins volley.

Under no condition use cavarly on them, definately not in a prolonged melee. Charging elephants from the back with heavy cav does work however, it should inflict at least 1 casualty a charge.

[Úlairi]

Another complaint about elephants I found funny. During a siege battle, a group of elephants just parked in front of my gates. I had destroyed all of the enemy's siege equipment so it was just a matter of running out the clock before I won.

What, can't elephants destroy the gates in this mod (and MIITW for that matter) like they could in Rome? If I've not gone insane I remember perfectly that in RTW they were also living rams which was very nice.

Also which rajaputa faction I should play? I like the purple one cause of the secure position, I prefer to play defensively and expand slowly, build a lot etc. The yellow one does have more kinds of elepants and other troops though (from custom battle)?

[megalitho]

Also which rajaputa faction I should play? I prefer to play defensively and expand slowly

No rajputs. The upkeep of the elephants is imiense, so you have to expand fast or disband a lot of your units.

[nein]

elephants have a bonus against horses, swarming them with spearmen is much more effective. Mounted javelin units are elephant assasins... your best bet

[Mihajlo]

There is no RTW or MTW2 mod without this sort of thread, Im amused how people can do same thing over and over again, get same result and ask same question for past 6-8 years...
Answer is, frankly, VERY simple: 1. javelins 2. spearmans (not ideal, but will do) 3. fire arrows- nice little trick.
Rush with your elite HC into elephants= really??

Good luck

[Emperor Hantscher]

There is no RTW or MTW2 mod without this sort of thread, Im amused how people can do same thing over and over again, get same result and ask same question for past 6-8 years...

Well I started playing the TW series with Empire, for some odd reason I had never heard of it until then. I only "downgraded" to Medieval because of the fantastic selection of mods like BC, TATW and the countless more. So I was used to Elephants being counter with just any sort of infantry, plus I had a very cavalry based army with no javeliners, (for some reason I just don't ever use them) and only two units of very light spearmen, I thought mybe cavalry would have better luck then 240 dead compared to ONE dead elephant....
O well! now I know better and need to start recruiting some javeliners before the Paramara Rajputs hoardes of elephants completely take me out.

[Pyres Δt Varanasi]

You are angry of this Elephant's then go play TATW the Mumakil's are a far more stronger