Armenia suspends relations with Hungary over astonishing extradition

[Armenum]

This is one of the most perplexing and astonishing stories I have come across. Several years ago during a NATO peace program in Budapest, Hungary, an Azeri office brutally murdered an Armenian officer in his sleep (with an ax) who was participating in the events. For this, the Azeri officer was hailed as a hero in Azerbaijan, he was proclaimed "Man of the Year" in Azerbaijan, and widely considered a national hero in Azerbaijan:

Thus, the Azerbaijani Ombudsman Suleymanova said that "Safarov should be an example for young people." Ramil Safarov was declared his country's national hero.

All of this for a cowardly murder of an Armenian officer that was just participating in a international peace program.

Now Azerbaijan struck a secret deal with Hungary and extradited this murder back to Azerbaijan where he will be welcomed as a hero and will not have to deal with any punishment.

Armenia has suspended diplomatic relations with Hungary over the extradition to Azerbaijan of a man who murdered an Armenian army officer, the country’s president Serzh Sargsyan said on Friday.
“Today we are suspending diplomatic relations and all official ties with Hungary,” Sargsyan said at an emergency meeting with representatives of foreign diplomatic missions in Armenia.
Relations between Armenia and Hungary worsened following Budapest’s decision to extradite to Azerbaijan Ramil Safarov, serving a live sentence for the murder of Armenian officer Gurgen Margaryan.
In February 2004, Azerbaijani army officer Safarov killed Margaryan with an axe while the latter was sleeping. Both men were attending an English language course in Budapest as part of NATO’s Partnership for Peace program.
In April 2006, a Hungarian court sentenced Safarov to live imprisonment. However, on Friday he was extradited to Azerbaijan, where he was pardoned by President Ilham Aliyev.
“The Hungarian authorities should understand that they made a gross mistake,” President Sargsyan said. “As a matter of fact, they made a deal with the Azerbaijani authorities.”
Armenian media reported earlier that Azerbaijan intended to purchase Hungarian government bonds worth 2-3 billion euros. Armenian analysts said the deal was Baku’s quid pro quo for extraditing Safarov.
“This was not an ordinary murder. It was an ethnic murder that has been justified by a EU member,” Sargsyan said, urging the Armenian legislative assembly to take up the issue.
Relations between Armenia and Azerbaijan have been tense since the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh erupted in the late 1980s. Nagorno-Karabakh, a breakaway region on Azerbaijani territory with a predominantly ethnic Armenian population, claims independence from Azerbaijan. The war is estimated to have left more than 30,000 people dead on both sides between 1988 and 1994. Since then the region has remained under de facto Armenian control.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20120831/175546769.html

[magpie]

Hmm, Well Hungary is somewhat strapped for cash these days.
They don,t really get to worked up over EU. law or other niceties.

[Armenum]

Hmm, Well Hungary is somewhat strapped for cash these days.
They don,t really get to worked up over EU. law or other niceties.

What can I say...whores have the same mentality...

[Radzeer]

Hmm, Well Hungary is somewhat strapped for cash these days.
They don,t really get to worked up over EU. law or other niceties.

What can I say...whores have the same mentality...

@ Lord Mov: I seriously hope that you referred to the government of Hungary and not the Hungarians in general. The first would be understandable, the second would be ignorant (to say the least).

EDIT: This is more accurate.

[Armenum]

@ Lord Mov: I seriously hope that you referred to the government of Hungary and not the Hungarians in general. The first would be understandable, the second would be ignorant (to say the least).

Of course to the government, more specifically the PM that was responsible for the deal. I have nothing against Hungarian people and Hungarian people themselves have been very regretful over this and been in solidarity with Armenians. I understand many countries if not all, have dirty politicians, Hungary is not an exception. You have a nice culture, I've visited Budapest before, great city, nice people, I just wish your government was not like this.

Is there a chance that things will escalate over this?

It's going to hit the peace talks hard. Already OSCE minsk group is lamenting the impact this will have on the peace negotiations. I mean how do you expect now for Armenian President to sit with Azeri President in the same room and negotiate in good faith? But I highly doubt war will come out of this. Just my two cents.

[Radzeer]

Of course to the government, more specifically the PM that was responsible for the deal. I have nothing against Hungarian people and Hungarian people themselves have been very regretful over this and been in solidarity with Armenians. I understand many countries if not all, have dirty politicians, Hungary is not an exception. You have a nice culture, I've visited Budapest before, great city, nice people, I just wish your government was not like this.

Thanks, and believe me, many had been upset because of this. Our government needs money and they get it via all kinds of questionable ways and taxes, but this is a new low. The PM does have a soft spot for this kind of politics, paying no attention to what it means for the country's reputation.

[Menelik_I]

Hmm, Well Hungary is somewhat strapped for cash these days.
They don,t really get to worked up over EU. law or other niceties.

Yes, they were the newest rising nazi threat the PC crowd was shrieking about last year, so I can't blame them. 2 Billions is a lot of cash and the EU was trying to financially asphyxiate them, but says more about Azerbaijan nuttiness to even spent that money for freeing a murderer.

[Armenum]

Yes, they were the newest rising nazi threat the PC crowd was shrieking about last year, so I can't blame them. 2 Billions is a lot of cash and the EU was trying to financially asphyxiate them, but says more about Azerbaijan nuttiness to even spent that money for freeing a murderer.

He killed an Armenian officer in his sleep and is declared man of the year in Azerbaijan. Just tells you how nutty and obsessed that country is.

[Tiberios]

Considering the petty insults thrown at eachother by these countries from time to time, I can't say that I am surprised. Disgusting that a murderer can be hailed as a hero. Just goes to show how retarded some people can be.

Killing people that occupy your country is not necessarily wrong ofcourse.
They are usually considered hero's by their own people infact.

The nationalist dickwaving from Azerbaijan and Armenia is just pathetic really. The constant saber rattling from Azeribaijan just makes theirs even more pathetic and obnoxious. And yes, this killing is wrong. Justbecause Azerbaijan lost the war, it doesn't make it okay for Azeri officials or civilians to murder Armenians.

[boofhead]

There are only a few nations on earth that make heroes of cowardly murderers. Another one added to my list.

[Treize]

Killing people that occupy your country is not necessarily wrong ofcourse.
They are usually considered hero's by their own people infact.

[Armenum]

Killing people that occupy your country is not necessarily wrong ofcourse.
They are usually considered hero's by their own people infact.

Hmm, so killing an officer at an international program in a foreign country is not wrong? There's no justification for this type of murder...I guess you will also agree with the terrorists that blow up buses of people and justify it on some political motive are correct also? Karabakh declared independence with the appropriate legal measures and was protected from Azeri invasion. If this man wants to "kill people occupying his land" he can go to the front line and trying killing them. This is just an outright act of cowardliness.

[Treize]

Oh I wouldn't do it. Not at talks in Hungary.

That being said, 'coward' attacks are sometimes neccesary in certain cases. This is not one of them though. The Azeri's should invade with conventional means when they are ready.

[Armenum]

Oh I wouldn't do it. Not at talks in Hungary.

That being said, 'coward' attacks are sometimes neccesary in certain cases. This is not one of them though. The Azeri's should invade with conventional means when they are ready.

because invasion and a full-scale war will just make things so much better

[Hresvelgr]

Oh I wouldn't do it. Not at talks in Hungary.

That being said, 'coward' attacks are sometimes neccesary in certain cases. This is not one of them though. The Azeri's should invade with conventional means when they are ready.

And I suppose the fact that Russia has explicitly expressed their support for Armenia and will defend them if necessary makes no nevermind to Azerbaijan?

[Armenum]

August 31, 2012 | 16:56
BAKU. – The Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev issues an amnesty to the murderer of an Armenian serviceman by violating laws of own country, Azerbaijani professor Hanlar Alikberov commented for contact.az website.

Admitting the President’s right to issue an amnesty to criminals, the scientist, however, claims that, according to the Azerbaijani Criminal Code, Aliyev could have issued an amnesty only to those criminals who are sentenced for a fixed period or for other punishments which have no connection to the life imprisonment.

At the same time, the Hungary Supreme Court sentenced Safarov to life imprisonment and not for a fixed period. Hence, Aliyev had no right to set free Safarov. To the most, he could have changed the sentence to 25 years in jail.

“There is no doubt that the norm contradicts to the Constitution and other norms and will bring forth wide discussions in the world outlets, which will negatively impact on Azerbaijan’s international image,” he concluded.

[Heinz Guderian]

Hungary probably wants cheaper oil. One man's incarceration repeal is probably a good deal for them. Morally, its repugnant of course, but there are like gypsies and vampires and shiz there. So what you gonna do?

[Babur]

Hungary probably wants cheaper oil. One man's incarceration repeal is probably a good deal for them. Morally, its repugnant of course, but there are like gypsies and vampires and shiz there. So what you gonna do?

They also aided the Reich in invading the Sowjet Union

anyway I am rather surprised that Azerbaijan condones murders like these,

[white-wolf]

This is sad.

Armenia, give them occupied lands, %20 of Azerbaijan, back. Than we won't see similar scenes again and again.

[Armenum]

This is sad.

Armenia, give them occupied lands, %20 of Azerbaijan, back. Than we won't see similar scenes again and again.

so you are saying the murder is justified? So in general, someone can kill another person just because of some ethnic grievance, and he doesn't have to face prosecution? And Karabakh is not occupied. It would have been "occupied" if Karabakh didn't declare independence or anything, and Republic of Armenia attacked and invaded that part.