Noah's Ark

[Richard the Lionheart]

What do you guys know about Noah's Ark? Do you think it actually existed? I've also read some articles that relate Noah's Ark to the destruction of Atlantis, which some believe was engulfed by the ocean.

Here's an over-head image of an Ark like object, 500 feet long, in the mountains of Ararat. Remember now, the Bible says that the Ark landed on Mt. Ararat and this Ark like object is about 20 miles south of Mt. Ararat...so this is pretty close.




I always like reading about this type of stuff. So what do you guys think?

[I Have a Clever Name]

I've also read some articles that relate Noah's Ark to the destruction of Atlantis, which some believe was engulfed by the ocean.

Sorry, I'm not very familiar with the Bible anymore, but wasn't everything engulfed by the ocean?

That topography proves nothing, except that some humans have an innate proficiency for percieving order when there is in fact none.

[Sam]

Everything about the Noah's ark story in the bible is a logistical nightmare, I certainly don't think it existed.

[MaximiIian]

Everything about the Noah's ark story in the bible is a logistical nightmare, I certainly don't think it existed.

Oh, I know. None of it makes any sense at all. It would take decades, centuries even, to collect two of every terrestrial and aerial species. And, besides, building a wooden boat the size of an aircraft carrier that could somehow withstand the constant rain pressure of a 40-day flooding downpour? Sounds dubious to the point of being retarded.

Ingsoc

[DaftVapor]

Ingsoc=English Socialism in New Speak. Its a reference to the book 1984. The regime in the story basically dictates what reality is by enforcing a fomr of solipsism-the idea that nothing outside the mind is "real". This allows them to rewrite history, and to alter reality. To this end, people practice doublethink-lying to themselves. For example, the party slogans are "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength."

[Richard the Lionheart]

Sorry, I'm not very familiar with the Bible anymore, but wasn't everything engulfed by the ocean?

Considering the Bible's revision history, there is no doubt that the Bible has over-exagerated the event. So let's say only an island, like Atlantis, was engulfed by water. Then it becomes more of a possibility.

[I Have a Clever Name]

Considering the Bible's revision history, there is no doubt that the Bible has over-exagerated the event. So let's say only an island, like Atlantis, was engulfed by water. Then it becomes more of a possibility.

Or maybe we could just disregard it entirely as ridiculous. 'Biblical revision history' is nothing more than an attempt to make what is conveyed as literal truth somewhat less absurd in a modern context.

[Richard the Lionheart]

Or maybe we could just disregard it entirely as ridiculous. 'Biblical revision history' is nothing more than an attempt to make what is conveyed as literal truth somewhat less absurd in a modern context.

No I don't want to disregard it because it's interesting and possible. You can disregard it if you want and thus stop participating in the discussion.

[DaftVapor]

Does anyone remember the "face" on mars? Honestly, I see a hole. The triangular portion on the front makes you think.

Asume it is a boat. Why is it the ark?

[I Have a Clever Name]

No I don't want to disregard it because it's interesting and possible. You can disregard it if you want and thus stop participating in the discussion.

So you don't want an opposing view? Have you anything else in the way of 'evidence'?

[DaftVapor]

Maybe if we all said it was a boat, and told everyone it was a boat, and tried to act like it was a boat, we could achieve an Ingsoc like group solipsism effect, and it would be a boat.

[Musashi]

I'ts just like the Face on mars. From the photocraph taken from a different angle we would see (like in mars) that it whas nothing more than an original geologick form wich does not even remotelly look like a boat.
There are actually this cind of froms in the nature everywhere. I have seen a three that looked like a human ass and rocks that looked like a johnson.

[Hadrian]

I'ts just like the Face on mars. From the photocraph taken from a different angle we would see (like in mars) that it whas nothing more than an original geologick form wich does not even remotelly look like a boat.
There are actually this cind of froms in the nature everywhere. I have seen a three that looked like a human ass and rocks that looked like a johnson.

DUDE! You desperatly need to edit your posts. I can see you misspelling maybe one or two words but you misspelled eight different words. They aren't even hard words! You misspelled WAS.

[the Eternal Cocoon]

DUDE! You desperatly need to edit your posts. I can see you misspelling maybe one or two words but you misspelled eight different words. They aren't even hard words! You misspelled WAS.

he stills brings up a good point, namely that people can see order where there isnt any. People look up at the cloads and see shapes and figures, dosent make them real.

[shenmueguru]

It is assumed to be the Ark because it is ontop of the mountain that it was said to be ontop of in the bible, Mount Ararat. Expeditions are difficult due to extreme weather conditions. Discovery channel did a thing on it a while back, hope it comes around again.

[Ahiga]

The Flood may have been a reference to the flowing of the Mediterranean into the Black sea somewhere around 10,000 BC, I believe. It's even close to mount Arat, I think, so perhaps those who settled along the coastline fled up towards the mountain in fear that the sea would encompass more of the land. Noah's ark could have been a religious symbolism of faith in god saving Noah, although that seems obvious.

Noah's ark did not truly occur. However, it would not have been pulled out from someone's buttocks, and would have had some, if fleeting, reference in real life as most myths do. There seem too many flood myths for it not to have some sort of historical referene, although it may have just been the primitive reaction to seeing the tide and an occassional large wave or tsunami.

[Darth Wong]

The Flood may have been a reference to the flowing of the Mediterranean into the Black sea somewhere around 10,000 BC, I believe. It's even close to mount Arat, I think, so perhaps those who settled along the coastline fled up towards the mountain in fear that the sea would encompass more of the land. Noah's ark could have been a religious symbolism of faith in god saving Noah, although that seems obvious.

Noah's ark did not truly occur. However, it would not have been pulled out from someone's buttocks, and would have had some, if fleeting, reference in real life as most myths do. There seem too many flood myths for it not to have some sort of historical referene, although it may have just been the primitive reaction to seeing the tide and an occassional large wave or tsunami.

There are so many floods and similar disasters which occur routinely in the world that it's pretty much a no-brainer where the Noah's Ark story came from. There might have even been a guy somewhere who saved his family and some of his animals by putting them on a boat when his land was flooded, and then this story got exaggerated with retelling.

[I Have a Clever Name]

It is assumed to be the Ark because it is ontop of the mountain that it was said to be ontop of in the bible, Mount Ararat. Expeditions are difficult due to extreme weather conditions. Discovery channel did a thing on it a while back, hope it comes around again.

Assumed by Old Testament apologists, maybe.

[Oldgamer]

What we are talking about when we speak of Noah's Ark is a relic. A relic is an object ... like the Shroud of Turin ... that inspires the faithful, and precipitates an over-reaction by those who are not.

If archaeologists could get to the site in the picture above, date the wood to the period many people think the Flood happened in (very open to debate!), verify that the construction techniques were contemporary with ancient shipbuilding techniques, find fossilized animal waste attributed to thousands of different species, and also find a note which says ... in an ancient Semitic text ... "Noah was here", it wouldn't make the slightest difference. People of faith would see their faith verified and strengthened. People not of faith would challenge the scientific findings, ridicule the believers, and ascribe the whole thing to a conspiracy by President Bush and Bob Jones University.

It wouldn't change a thing.

BTW, from my reading of the Book of Genesis, the overall shape of the Ararat anomaly, as portrayed in the picture, is completely wrong. It should have the shape of a long rectangular box, as it was not designed for forward motion, but stability.

[Darth Wong]

What we are talking about when we speak of Noah's Ark is a relic. A relic is an object ... like the Shroud of Turin ... that inspires the faithful, and precipitates an over-reaction by those who are not.

It's an "over-reaction" to point out the multiple scientific absurdities of the Noah story when someone makes one of these absurd claims, but it's not an "over-reaction" for people to actually journey to far-off lands in search of a myth?

If archaeologists could get to the site in the picture above, date the wood to the period many people think the Flood happened in (very open to debate!), verify that the construction techniques were contemporary with ancient shipbuilding techniques, find fossilized animal waste attributed to thousands of different species, and also find a note which says ... in an ancient Semitic text ... "Noah was here", it wouldn't make the slightest difference. People of faith would see their faith verified and strengthened. People not of faith would challenge the scientific findings, ridicule the believers, and ascribe the whole thing to a conspiracy by President Bush and Bob Jones University.

You act as though there are actually scientific findings which support the absurd notion of the Noah's Ark story as written, when in fact the story of the Great Flood as written is scientifically no more feasible than Santa's flying sleigh.