Te AI should still consider peace even if you go Independent...

[Humble Warrior]

I`m in end game, and just to see, I decide to go Independent, being neither Shogunate or Imperial. Of course, this drove both sides insane and we`ve been at war. As expected, Diplomacy is useless now.

Well, after long, long fighting of YEARS and territory swinging back and forth I decided to try for a little peace out of Player war-weariness, but I forgot that the CAI is like the Terminator because it does not suffer war weariness now. It`s still maddened with rage.

Every single faction refuses peace, even the little ones like Aizu that has only 2 provinces left. You`d think they could use a little respite.

Up until Independence the CAI isn`t too bad, agreeing to peace if it needs the time to recuperate, but once you get Independence (and it seems go past the end conditions), it just becomes a robot.

Can we have some kind of war-weariness mechanic in the end-game even if you go Independent, please?

[Winterspawn]

What I would love to see is that when you go republic style, when you get clans as vassal, they automatically become part of your republic, so it would be more of an annexation instead of the regular thing you get. As a republic you get so many handicaps that one little bonus would be welcome. I haven't actually tried making vassals as a republic though, I don't know if they currently even accept becoming a vassal when they're down to one province.

[Lokgar]

So kill them and then make them a vassal instead of occupying the territory? Or just mod the game so eventually the negative hit you get for going independent will disappear after a few years.

[eXistenZ]

speaking on a wider scale, there should be more diplomatic options when realm divide hits (and then im talking about S2 and RotS). Clans that choose to stick with you for example. That would be a better reflection on the fighting between two camps.

and in FotS, when you go independence, there should be some clans that stick with you.

[Humble Warrior]

speaking on a wider scale, there should be more diplomatic options when realm divide hits (and then im talking about S2 and RotS). Clans that choose to stick with you for example. That would be a better reflection on the fighting between two camps.

and in FotS, when you go independence, there should be some clans that stick with you.

Indeedy, depending on your strength and relations.

[Vice]

While I agree with most points that you presented...you do have to remember that you are basically telling the Shogun / Emperor and all who are loyal to them (which is basically most if not all people / clans) "To hell with you and your ruling! It's time for a new form of leadership of this country" And most if not all the clans I imagine would think you mad to not follow the Emperor or the Shogun and would naturally be hostile to you. Even the clans that are allied to you depending on who you supported before you decided you wanted to be independent would have to weigh their loyalty to both you and either the Emperor or the Shogun...And unless you had deep ties (such as maybe a marriage in both clans) I would think their loyalty to the Shogun / Emperor would be higher then to your clan.

[Humble Warrior]

While I agree with most points that you presented...you do have to remember that you are basically telling the Shogun / Emperor and all who are loyal to them (which is basically most if not all people / clans) "To hell with you and your ruling! It's time for a new form of leadership of this country" And most if not all the clans I imagine would think you mad to not follow the Emperor or the Shogun and would naturally be hostile to you. Even the clans that are allied to you depending on who you supported before you decided you wanted to be independent would have to weigh their loyalty to both you and either the Emperor or the Shogun...And unless you had deep ties (such as maybe a marriage in both clans) I would think their loyalty to the Shogun / Emperor would be higher then to your clan.

I know the full consequences. i know what I`ve done is an afront to all the factions. I`ve aluded in this in my 1st post which I hope everyone would read.

Point is, after YEARS of fighting and with some Factions being reduced to a shadow of their former selves, there should be some possibility of a Faction saying, "Ok, we`ll have a truce even though we hate you. For now..." even if just to rebuild its power and attack later. It`s Human too for war weariness to set in when a war is prolonged with little sign of immediate success and for nations to agree to a truce just for a rest and rethink strategy. It doesn`t mean they`ve stopped hating my Independence.

No one just atacks, attacks, attacks irregardless of the personal situation.

[ccgr1121]

I know the full consequences. i know what I`ve done is an afront to all the factions. I`ve aluded in this in my 1st post which I hope everyone would read.

Point is, after YEARS of fighting and with some Factions being reduced to a shadow of their former selves, there should be some possibility of a Faction saying, "Ok, we`ll have a truce even though we hate you. For now..." even if just to rebuild its power and attack later. It`s Human too for war weariness to set in when a war is prolonged with little sign of immediate success and for nations to agree to a truce just for a rest and rethink strategy. It doesn`t mean they`ve stopped hating my Independence.

No one just atacks, attacks, attacks irregardless of the personal situation.

*cough cough* Rome AI *cough cough*

In all seriousness, I do agree with you here. The only problem is that CA, whilst I'm sure they do want to actually make a great game despite what some say, have more important bugs/features/titles to work on now. Thus, it's unlikely they'll do this.

Might I ask what difficulty you are on?

[underworld965]

*cough cough* Rome AI *cough cough*

In all seriousness, I do agree with you here. The only problem is that CA, whilst I'm sure they do want to actually make a great game despite what some say, have more important bugs/features/titles to work on now. Thus, it's unlikely they'll do this.

Might I ask what difficulty you are on?

erg I hope in rome II its different. I leave some factions alive, with one territory just to keep them in the game and despite me being a superpower THEY KEEP ATTACKING. Or after I've wiped their armies from the field...We shall never surrender! I hope diplomacy is a much more useful tool in ROME II

[Humble Warrior]

Forum`s really playing up. Getting hard to post anything at mo.

On hard campaign.

[krisslanza]

If I remember, a reason it probably does this is so you can't peace up with people, build a super army, then steamroll the game. The Realm Divide/everyone attacks you, was meant to try and actually make the endgame hard - or at least, not a steamroll that usually happens because no singular factions can possibly stand up to a late-game human player.

[Jackster]

yea, I am doing pretty much the same thing as you are.

What really bothers me about republic is why there is no Ishin Shishi/Shinsengumi type agent for the republic. The revolutionary forces somehow dont have a propagenda agent to incite riot and disorder?!

[hochmeister devin]

Its sacrilege to declare war or disobey the emporer since he is a god. Whats most likely is CA wanted to make going republic harder and had no bases for a republican agent so they just cut a republican agent out.

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

Its sacrilege to declare war or disobey the emporer since he is a god. Whats most likely is CA wanted to make going republic harder and had no bases for a republican agent so they just cut a republican agent out.

Exactly. It's not "Shogun VS. Emperor." It's "Shogun VS. The People Who Are Not With The Shogun, And Are Instead Trying To Oust Him From Power And Put The Emperor In Direct Control, Which Is Basically Spitting On Something Like Eight Hundred Years Of History (I Don't Know The Exact Amount) And Would Destroy Tradition." Also known as "TPWANWTSAAITTOHFPAPTEIDCWIBSOSLEHYOF(IDKTEA)AWDT" for short.

Everyone serves the Emperor. Everyone. Even the ones who are fighting against his will, still believe they are serving him. So, by throwing that out the window and declaring yourself, well, basically BETTER than the Emperor, you're going to piss off a few people.


I would normally agree with you, but you have to understand, these are the Japanese. We had to use the most powerful weapon ever invented, TWICE, to finally make them consider giving up. And we didn't even spit in the face of their god-king, so can you imagine what it would be like for them if some random Daimyo decided he was going to betray them all and form his own contry?

[SturmChurro]

I would expect as much, as mentioned the realm divide is meant to make the game harder, or at least last longer so the issue with late game human "steamrolling" is less common and you can already tell during Realm Divide as either Imperial or Shogunate allegiance that the ai will fight to the death (I have read that the ai may change allegiances if it sees that their current allegiance isn't going well on the Realm Divide popup, however I haven't actually seen this happen past Realm Divide)against you and your allies.

I do agree that there should be some form of diplomacy (and this is lacking in ALL Total War games) even if you have to recover the negative points through good will, payments, etc.. You should always make sure to have at least one or two loyal allies if you do go independent anyway. I haven't gone independent yet (I am planning on doing that in my new Satsuma campaign), but I expect to have to pay off my already loyal allies past Realm Divide to keep them.

[Gandalfus]

*cough*justexcusetotestnuclearbomb*cough*

[♘Top Hat Zebra]

*cough*justexcusetotestnuclearbomb*cough*

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

*cough* invasionofmainlandJapanwouldhavecausedthousandsoflivestobeneedlesslylostinawarthatwouldeventuallyendinthedestructionofbasicallytheentireJapanesepoulationduetotheirfanaticalmindsetandwouldhavelefttheUnitedStatesinaterribleposition. *cough*

But, uh, yeah. The mushroom cloud was pretty awesome.

[Gandalfus]

And thats why the Japanese are the underdogs.

They have emperor:
LETS REBEL AGAINST HIM! INSTALL A SHOGUN!

They have a shogun dictatorship:
THE EMPEROR IS THE SHOGUNS PUPPET! INSTALL THE EMPEROR!


They see a republic:
THEY ARE ENEMIES OF THE SHOGUN AND EMPEROR! KILL THEM, SHOW NO MERCY.