Do you ever play as a muslim faction?

[Vissewalde rex de Gerzika]

I never do. It dosent matter if it is a mod or vanilla I always play as something else, i guess even if i am going to try Broken Crescent which is a mod centered in east mostly i still would play as anything else.

I guess my reasoning behind it is that i dont like Horse archers, light infantry and the voices(which can be ignored, but being called sultan all the time can get on your nerves, kinda like kaiser with HRE all the time ). Gotta admit that one big plus from being a muslim faction is that you dont have a annoying pope bugging you all the time to stop attacking someone else because he has the same religion, and you can choose whether or not you want to be a part of a Jihad, also Jihads can be called on any settlement IIRC.

[General Sultan V]

I play The Ottoman Dynasty all the Time in Vanilla. they are fun and challenging

[PapaRosario]

also Jihads can be called on any settlement IIRC.

Nope, only on certain settlements.

And I'm the same as you. I rarely play Muslim factions.

[Vissewalde rex de Gerzika]

Nope, only on certain settlements.

And I'm the same as you. I rarely play Muslim factions.

Ah, well thats a shame, i remember playing a Moor campaign in vanilla once, but i was quite disapointed that i could not use princesses on the starategic map.

[complete noob:(]

I play with them a lot. Never the Turks though. I hate the Turks for some reason. It's so nice being able to actually use a Jihad fully to your advantage, since there is never a chance of it being denied, plus there is the fact that there isn't a Pope always trying to order you to do something

[shikaka]

I love horse archers, maneuvering and winning with actually cheaper and worse units. So I mostly play the factions which have at least 1 horse archer (of javcav) unit.

Poland, Hungary, Byzzies, Turks, Spain, Egypt, Moors: I like these a lot.


I really miss horse archers when I don't have them. My campaigns as France, HRE, England, Denmark are always quite short because of this reason.

[Jazx]

I play with them a lot. Never the Turks though. I hate the Turks for some reason.

LOL why do you hate turks you should eat kebab before hating them

[complete noob:(]

LOL why do you hate turks you should eat kebab before hating them

There armies don't fit me, and I personally don't like the positioning of them on the campaign maps

[Vissewalde rex de Gerzika]

I believe that France does have some late era mounted archers, dont know how much sense do they make historically trough.

[shikaka]

I believe that France does have some late era mounted archers, dont know how much sense do they make historically trough.

AFAIK they get mounted longbowmen, which I don't use because it is silly. (I guess originally they had longbowmen, but I doubt they could fight from horseback - you cannot put the longbow from your left hand to your right over the horses head. At least not as comfortably as a composite bow)

Actually, Muslim factions don't have very good horse archers. The French, Polish, Russian, and Byzantines all have horse archers that are much better than what the Muslims have.

I think you should try Mamluk archers and Turkish Sipahi! Brilliant units
Also, the strength of the early game horse archers doesn't matter, only their existance matters. Really, a crap, cheap horse archer like Kazaks (Russia) or MAgyar cavalry (Hungary) is essential early game.

I'm playing my first muslim faction, the Turks, and this is a totally different experience from all my other M2TW games, I recommend it if you want a challenge! I'm used to having superior or equal troops, so having to survive with the weak ones the Turks get at the start really tests your battlefield skills. Horse archers have really weak stats but that doesn't seem to matter if you can get them to charge knight bodyguards in the rear!

Yep, several general's bodyguard units (or just general heavy cavalry) are not easy to defeat with cheap horse archers.

What you can do is to not melee at all, fire all the arrows and retreat of the map to attack again later!




In general I really like the armies what you can field as muslim, as until mid game, you simply cannot go down the usual spearmen+bowmen way, and have to think of something else. Mid to late game you can pretty much play as if you were a catholic (if you are Moors and Turks), you will have everything needed.

Also it is fun to be a target of crusades/mongol invasion!

[Aeratus]

Actually, Muslim factions don't have very good horse archers. The French, Polish, Russian, and Byzantines all have horse archers that are much better than what the Muslims have.

The strength of Muslim factions is their high end heavy cavalry. The Royal Mamluk is the best heavy cavalry unit in the game, much better than the European knights. The Turkish equivalent is not far behind. Muslim factions also excel in "special units" like camel gunners, Hashashim, Naffatun, and janissary musketeers, and militia units.

However, I do agree that the Muslim voices are terrible.

[Avatar]

Actually, Muslim factions don't have very good horse archers. The French, Polish, Russian, and Byzantines all have horse archers that are much better than what the Muslims have.

However the Moors at least have the Grenadine Jinetes from the start of the game, and later on the Camel Gunners which rather destroy any other mounted ranged units in the game.

[Sitalkes]

I'm playing my first muslim faction, the Turks, and this is a totally different experience from all my other M2TW games, I recommend it if you want a challenge! I'm used to having superior or equal troops, so having to survive with the weak ones the Turks get at the start really tests your battlefield skills. Horse archers have really weak stats but that doesn't seem to matter if you can get them to charge knight bodyguards in the rear! It's hard to stay on the chivalry path with Turks, since you always have to outnumber your opponent and always catch all the routers - and releasing prisoners could result in having to fight them again with equal or worse odds.

[AngryTitusPullo]

I play all muslims factions first before others.

[SturmChurro]

Yes, quite often actually. I especially like Egypt in Vanilla. The Moors are very fun to play with, as are the Turkish who have lots of nice units.

[RollingWave]

I can't say I agree with the choice of no giving Islamic faction princess, that doesn't make much sense historically speaking, political marriage happened basically just as often in the Islamic world as it did elsewhere. and cross religion marriage actually happened more than people realized. (a few random example, the last Great Seljuq Sultan Ahmed Sanjar had a Georgian Princess as wife, a lot of the Turkish rulers in Anatolia had Greek mothers. one member of the Komnenos family married the daughter of the Rum sultan, the Antioch regent at one point had wanted to marry her younger daughter to a Syrian lord etc..)

But yeah, the Islamic factions weren't really well done even by the rather low standards of vanilla models.

[Alaeron]

I played both the Moors and Turks. The Moors get filthy rich real quick if you capture Timbuktu and Arguin, and the Turks get...let's say interesting in the late game. I find Egypt pretty boring for some reason. Their strength is cavalry, and mine is sieges. Pass.

I also like those factions' music and settlement looks.

[shikaka]

I played both the Moors and Turks. The Moors get filthy rich real quick if you capture Timbuktu and Arguin, and the Turks get...let's say interesting in the late game. I find Egypt pretty boring for some reason. Their strength is cavalry, and mine is sieges. Pass.

I also like those factions' music and settlement looks.

Egypt is the boring one out of the 3:
It has a safe rich region which is never under a danger, and lots of other rich rebel regions nearby. By the time you attack the Turks, you are filthy rich and cannot actually lose. The campaign quicly becomes a province improvement with offensives stopped promptly at borders until the Mongols come.

The problem is similar with Russia: no serious fights with other factions until the horde shows up.

[Grymloq]

I play only with the Moors, as I don't like Turkish army composition and starting position and with Egypt you have to deal with the Mongold for the most of the game

[Vissewalde rex de Gerzika]

I agree with Shikaka, the Egyptians defineatly have a lazy time in vanilla apart from a crusade or 2, but nothing that you cant stop. In SS you have a slightly harder, but still not so interesting campaign, the pope might call more crusades on you and the crusader states are a bit of a problem, but they are too weak to last a long time against you, after that the seljuks can be a pain, but still easy to deal with.