Should Taiwan join PRC under 1 Nation 3 systems?

[Chukada1]

Hong Kong joined Mainland China after its contract terms were met, 99 years of British captivity. China promised that it would keep Hong Kong government, education, democracy, basically the entire Hong Kong system. If Mainland China extends this promise to Taiwan, should Taiwan join Mainland China?

Does Taiwan have a future other then joining China? What do Chinese in Taiwan think?

[Col. Tartleton]

Doesn't Taiwan think the PROC should join the ROC as a autonomous communist region?

That was my understanding of their sentiments. I'm skeptical Taiwan will ever accept anything less.

The current stance AFAIK is that Taiwan is not a separate country but is China, they will not agree to unify with the Communists as a single state, and they will not have any violence between the two states.

[Chukada1]

Doesn't Taiwan think the PROC should join the ROC as a autonomous communist region?

That was my understanding of their sentiments. I'm skeptical Taiwan will ever accept anything less.

The current stance AFAIK is that Taiwan is not a separate country but is China, they will not agree to unify with the Communists as a single state, and they will not have any violence between the two states.

Most people in Taiwan want to maintain the status quo. A few people want to unify, and a few unintelligent people want to declare independence and forge a new Taiwanese identity, because they're not Chinese apparently.

By the way, anybody ever come across one of those people from Taiwan that dont want others to use their Chinese name, they want them to use their English name, they don't want people to confuse China with Taiwan, they say there is a big difference between Taiwan and China? They make it a big deal that they are not Chinese.

I don't mean native Taiwanese either. I just don't get it, how can they not be Chinese?

Do Taiwanese people call those kinds of people some name?

[SLN445]

Groups form new nationalities all the time, why cant they? They may still be technicaly Chinese but from i hear from people here all it takes is to change your Culture and BAM your now a new group.

[Chukada1]

Groups form new nationalities all the time, why cant they? They may still be technicaly Chinese but from i hear from people here all it takes is to change your Culture and BAM your now a new group.

Because they're Chinese, from China, on Chinese territory, that speak Chinese and have traditional Chinese values.

[SLN445]

Because they're Chinese, from China, on Chinese territory, that speak Chinese and have traditional Chinese values.

They may not suddenly stop being Chinese but they are quite capable of changing that over generations.

Same could be said at the beginning of most of the Colonized nations.

Yeah but China's culture is awesome and Taiwan's non Chinese culture is barely even culture.

It's like Japan. Old China, New Western Stuff, and the retarded post modern post culture.

True.... Chinese Culture is awesome.

[OCWife]

No self-respecting citizen of ROC would ever recognize the rebels as a legitimate government, much less surrender to them. In fact, the ROC denouncement of the rebels is stated right in the constitution.

[hellheaven1987]

Because they're Chinese, from China, on Chinese territory, that speak Chinese and have traditional Chinese values.

Same as Singapore; may be China would claim Singapore uses same BS reason?

[Chukada1]

Same as Singapore; may be China would claim Singapore uses same BS reason?

I don't mean as a reason for claiming a place.

It was a second question, I met somebody from Taiwan who made the distinction very clear she wasn't Chinese, she was from Taiwan, but you can be Chinese from Taiwan right? Doesn't that make you Chinese?

Not saying Chinese means you automatically are from PRC, but what part of the population of Taiwan wants to start a new Taiwanese identity, like why did the party for independence almost win last election?

China didn't keep their promise - they still try to up HK politics, and a lot of mainland chinese are complaining about how HK citizens get privileges (= to be treated as humans while other chinese are treated like garbage).


Besides, their ability to keep promise doesn't matter, Mainland China isn't worthy enough to be anyone's country.

What about long term, what if PRC makes lots of progress in social reforms? What would make Taiwan join under the PRC, a miracle? Or is there some tangible state the Mainland can reach, for it to happen?

Just curious, Taiwan would probably get huge funding from the Chinese government as one of those important strategic places, being situated in the South China Sea, I imagine the economic benefits are quite big.

I'm aware that Taiwan will loose the lucrative business opportunity of the status quo.

Just curious as I don't really know these answers.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

I don't mean as a reason for claiming a place.

It was a second question, I met somebody from Taiwan who made the distinction very clear she wasn't Chinese, she was from Taiwan, but you can be Chinese from Taiwan right? Doesn't that make you Chinese?

Not saying Chinese means you automatically are from PRC, but what part of the population of Taiwan wants to start a new Taiwanese identity, like why did the party for independence almost win last election?

It's perfectly legitimate to identify as Taiwanese and not Chinese. New nationalities emerge all the time. It's cultural and not ethnic in nature, otherwise Europe wouldn't be awash with so many different nationalities. Taiwan is certainly culturally distinct from mainland China. Look at how most Irish and northern unionists identify differently despite being no different in ethnically.

[Imperial]

Just curious, Taiwan would probably get huge funding from the Chinese government as one of those important strategic places, being situated in the South China Sea, I imagine the economic benefits are quite big.

You're assuming that the "Taiwanese identity" can be bought with money. Some people pride themselves in other things rather than money.

[AqD]

What about long term, what if PRC makes lots of progress in social reforms? What would make Taiwan join under the PRC, a miracle? Or is there some tangible state the Mainland can reach, for it to happen?

They won't make it, and we don't want to have anything to do with them.

[hellheaven1987]

What about long term, what if PRC makes lots of progress in social reforms? What would make Taiwan join under the PRC, a miracle? Or is there some tangible state the Mainland can reach, for it to happen?

CCP would need to do two things before any form of negotiation can begin:

1. Sign the peace treaty to end the Chinese Civil War; this is a dangerous step because there are three possible scenario:

A. CCP sign a white peace, directly recognize ROC is independent.

B. CCP sign a peace treaty admit its defeat, PRC dissolves.

C. CCP sign a peace treaty which ROC admits its defeat, like it would ever happen.

What choice CCP would do is debatable.

2. Dissolves itself and change the name back to ROC.

Then the negotiation can begin; if CCP like itself claims care the future of China so much I don't think why CCP cannot achieve the two conditions.

[Col. Tartleton]

Groups form new nationalities all the time, why cant they? They may still be technicaly Chinese but from i hear from people here all it takes is to change your Culture and BAM your now a new group.

Yeah but China's culture is awesome and Taiwan's non Chinese culture is barely even culture.

It's like Japan. Old China, New Western Stuff, and the retarded post modern post culture.

I know culture is like art, it's whatever people want it to be, but for the love of God stop eating poop shaped food out of toilet shaped bowls. Everything is so goddamn weird or cute it's disturbing.



Even the crustaceans are adorable in Taiwan!

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It would be fine if that was at a playground, but that's a roadblock for a construction site!

[OCWife]

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It would be fine if that was at a playground, but that's a roadblock for a construction site!

Research shows that drivers are far less likely to run over large pink anthropomorphisized bunnies than orange cones.

[Col. Tartleton]

Research shows that drivers are far less likely to run over large pink anthropomorphisized bunnies than orange cones.

Yeah... I'm still not happy with Asians.

[SLN445]

When a rebel wins, hes no longer a rebel but a new leader

[AqD]

Hong Kong joined Mainland China after its contract terms were met, 99 years of British captivity. China promised that it would keep Hong Kong government, education, democracy, basically the entire Hong Kong system. If Mainland China extends this promise to Taiwan, should Taiwan join Mainland China?

Does Taiwan have a future other then joining China? What do Chinese in Taiwan think?

China didn't keep their promise - they still try to up HK politics, and a lot of mainland chinese are complaining about how HK citizens get privileges (= to be treated as humans while other chinese are treated like garbage).


Besides, their ability to keep promise doesn't matter, Mainland China isn't worthy enough to be anyone's country.

[Dr. Croccer]

Hong Kong joined Mainland China after its contract terms were met, 99 years of British captivity.

Hong Kong in 1820:



Hong Kong in 1997:

In the mid-19th century many of the merchants would sell silk, jade and consult feng shui to open shops that favour better spiritual arrangements.[15] Other lower ranked groups like coolies arrived with the notion that hard work would better position them for the future. And the success of boatmen, merchants, carters and fishermen in Hong Kong, would leapfrog China's most popular port in Canton. By 1880 Hong Kong's port would handle 27% of the mainland's export and 37% of imports.[1]
A British traveller, Isabella Bird, described Hong Kong in the 1870s as a colony filled with comforts and entertainment only a Victorian society would be able to enjoy. Other descriptions mentioned courts, hotels, post offices, shops, city hall complexes, museums, libraries and structures in impressive manner for the era.[1] Many European businessmen went to Hong Kong to do business.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Hong_Kong


The horrors of 'British captivity'.

[Menelik_I]

Hong Kong in 1820:

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Hong Kong in 1997:





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Hong_Kong

The horrors of 'British captivity'.

I want to captivity too bro ...

Research shows that drivers are far less likely to run over large pink anthropomorphisized bunnies than orange cones.

Even then it is difficult to take it seriously.

Taiwan join PRC under 1 Nation 3 systems?

Hong Kong joined Mainland China after its contract terms were met, 99 years of British captivity. China promised that it would keep Hong Kong government, education, democracy, basically the entire Hong Kong system. If Mainland China extends this promise to Taiwan, should Taiwan join Mainland China?

Does Taiwan have a future other then joining China? What do Chinese in Taiwan think?

PRC is lying, they want only ONE system : The PRC system.

Just this year they bulldozed Hong Kong sentiment by nominating a governor without popular vote and tried to intimidate the locals by staging a full scale military parade in the streets of Hong Kong.