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    A group of coal miners in Ohio feel they would have been fired if they did not attend an Aug. 14 event with presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney and contribute to his campaign — and to make matters worse, they lost of day of pay for their trouble.

    In phone calls and emails to WWVA radio host David Blomquist, employees at the Century Mine in Ohio said they feared retaliation if they did not attend the Romney event.

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    “Yes, we were in fact told that the Romney event was mandatory and would be without pay, that the hours spent there would need to be made up my non-salaried employees outside of regular working hours, with the only other option being to take a pay cut for the equivalent time,” the employees told Blomquist. “Yes, letters have gone around with lists of names of employees who have not attended or donated to political events.”

    “I realize that many people in this area and elsewhere would love to have my job or my benefits,” one worker explained. “And our bosses do not hesitate in reminding us of this. However, I can not agree with these callers and my supervisors, who are saying that just because you have a good job, that you should have to work any day for free on almost no notice without your consent.”

    “We do not appreciate being intimidated into exchanging our time for nothing. I heard one of your callers saying that Murray employees are well aware of what they are getting into upon hire, or that they are informed that a percentage of their income will go to political donations. I can not speak for that caller, but this is news for me. We merely find out how things work by experience.”

    Murray Energy Chief Financial Officer Rob Moore told Blomquist that the charges were untrue.

    “There were no workers that were forced to attend the event,” Moore said. “We had managers that communicated to our work force that the attendance at the Romney event was mandatory, but no one was forced to attend the event. We had a pre-registration list. And employees were asked to put their names on a pre-registration list because they could not get into the event unless they were pre-registered and had a name tag to enter the premises.”

    “What about not getting paid for an eight-hour day?” Blomquist wondered. “If the mine was shut down for the visit, I understand, but wouldn’t it be fair — let’s use the word ‘fair’ — to still pay these individuals for that day? I mean, it wasn’t their fault they weren’t working.”

    “Our management people wanted to attend the event and we could not have people underground during Romney’s visit,” Moore insisted.

    “But why not still pay then their wage for that day?” Blomquist pressed.

    “By federal election law, we could not pay people to attend the event,” Moore replied. “And we did not want anyone to come back and see where anyone had been paid for that day.”

    “I’m not saying pay then to attend the event, I’m saying, ‘Hey look, we have to close down the mine, if you want to attend this event, that’s fine, but you’re still going to get a day’s pay for the work that you would have done,’” Blomquist pointed out. “Why not do that?”

    “As a private employer, it was our decision and we made the decision not to pay the people,” the Murray chief financial officer said.

    “We’re talking about an event that was in the best interest of anyone that’s related to the coal industry,” Moore added. “I do not believe that missing an eight-hour day, when you put it into perspective, when you think about how critical — critical this next election is, and how critical it is that we get someone in this office that supports coal — to give up eight hours for a career, I just don’t believe that there is anything negative about that.”

    At the time, conservative blogs and websites like The Daily Caller, The Gateway Pundit and Townhall trumpeted the fact that “hundreds of Ohio coal miners attended” the event. Even though the mine was closed on Aug. 14, soot-covered miners were staged behind the GOP hopeful as he spoke.

    Earlier that month, Murray Energy Corporation and its founder, Robert Murray, had blamed President Barack Obama after they fired hundreds of workers and closed an operation near Brilliant, Ohio five years early.

    Company leaders said that “regulatory actions by President Barack Obama and his appointees and followers [are] the entire reason” that operations were shutdown.

    Robert Murray received national attention in 2009 after his Crandall Canyon Mine in Utah collapsed, leaving six miners trapped inside. Between 2005 and 2009, the Murray Energy Corp. Political Action Committee had given more than $150,000 to Republican candidates. Murray personally gave $15,000 to the National Republican Senatorial Committee in 2004 and $10,000 in 2006. The Ohio Valley Coal PAC, a group affiliated with Murray Energy, gave $10,000 to George W. Bush’s presidential campaign in 2000.


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    If this story is true - I don't know the reputation of this website for bias - then Romney should definitely not be allowed to be President. Doesn't this count as blackmail?
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    I don't know the reputation of this website for bias
    Took about 10 seconds on the front page to figure that one out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Strider View Post
    If this story is true - I don't know the reputation of this website for bias - then Romney should definitely not be allowed to be President. Doesn't this count as blackmail?
    This is not nearly as bad as the time he strapped a coal miner to the roof of his car while going on a road trip.

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    Assuming this is true, what does "coal mine management forces employees to Romney event" have to do with whether or not he should be elected?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CDMan477 View Post
    Assuming this is true, what does coal mine management forces employees to Romney event" have to do with whether or not he should be elected?
    Because he is of such low popularity and morals, as to threaten the jobs of Industrial workers should they not support him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Strider View Post
    Because he is of such low popularity and morals, as to threaten the jobs of Industrial workers should they not support him?
    If Romney orchestrated this then sure, but the article seems pretty clear in implicating the mines management team. Not Romney.

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    You know, I feel very honored that my home country is being emulated by the most powerful economic nation of the world. I mean really I do. I grew up listening about how my country is backwards and undemocratic and more or less a piece of . But now this? It's great to know that we were on the cutting edge. They are taking strategies out of a playbook of Yeltsin and Putin! Those guys were pioneering this political strategy of forcing coal miners (coal miners are a valuable political resource because they ooze testosterone and masculinity. If you have the coal miner vote than you can rest assured that your candidate has a big unit) to attend political rallies under threat of their careers. Maybe if Romney is elected America will be so lucky to have its very own version of Vladimir Putin. This is not only a proud day for the USA but for the whole galaxy as well.

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    If true, low.

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    The Plain Dealer, which is Cleveland's daily newspaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hotspur View Post
    The Plain Dealer, which is Cleveland's daily newspaper.
    Thank you, kind sir. I shall add this to the OP.
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    Default Re: Coal Miners forced to attend Romney Rally

    How does Romney become unfit for the office of President because someone forced their employees to do attend a rally?

    Really, the ones to blame are the company, not Romney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    How does Romney become unfit for the office of President because someone forced their employees to do attend a rally?

    Really, the ones to blame are the company, not Romney.
    Because the Romney campaign was likely behind it, or had knowledge of it, and didn't stop it from happening...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Strider View Post
    Because the Romney campaign was likely behind it, or had knowledge of it, and didn't stop it from happening...?
    I have seen no evidence that indicates or proves that Romney's campaign was behind it. Nor do I find it very likely.

    Anyway, unless Romney was behind this, this has no impact on how fit or unfit he is as President. Whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Strider View Post
    Because the Romney campaign was likely behind it, or had knowledge of it, and didn't stop it from happening...?
    No one's gonna say, "I'm bringing some miners to your rally. They're not getting paid at all and I'll fire them if they won't come."

    No one.

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    Like others said its not really Romney that is to blame here but the coal miners governorship, their company that told the miners to show up. Anyway, Coal miners are typically always liberal democrats, this is known. Even if his campaign had knowledge of what was happening its still the company to blame. Unless he bribed the company, thats different.

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    I wouldn't be surprised if he /did/ bribe the company.
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    It certainly doesnt help his image as an out of touch millionaire.

    I would've loved to of heard the smarmy rich guy jokes he told the pissed off coal miners.
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    I'll bet you fellas are excited to get off manual-labor today, I'll bet they dont even have perrier down there. Ha-haaa.

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    Yeah, I don't think this has anything to do with Romney and everything to do with the douchebag who owns the mining company.

    My buddy Romney is coming so we're closing the mine. No, you won't be paid for the missed day and participation is mandatory. And by "mandatory" what I mean is you don't have to come if you don't want to, but we are taking attendance, so....

    At least he didn't call out the Pinkertons.

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    When Gore came to talk in Chicago when I was in grad school, they had all the school kids in the area I was in bussed to the local union hall and then put on buses to go see Gore talk. Now if this was done for some sort of civic thing I'd have been ok with it, but being it was organized by the local unions and the kids were waiting in buses outside the union hall for several hours, not so much.

    The main issue in this case to me would be not paying the miners. Thats just jagbaggery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    When Gore came to talk in Chicago when I was in grad school, they had all the school kids in the area I was in bussed to the local union hall and then put on buses to go see Gore talk. Now if this was done for some sort of civic thing I'd have been ok with it, but being it was organized by the local unions and the kids were waiting in buses outside the union hall for several hours, not so much.

    The main issue in this case to me would be not paying the miners. Thats just jagbaggery.
    Two wrongs don't make a right. With the founding values and traditional civic code of honor of this country no man should be allowed to force or coerce you into a political or religious rally and even to force you to donate something. That sort of thing should be a criminal felony. Government already tells you how to spend your money, you don't need your company telling you how to spend your money.

    My last post was mocking USA for taking after my own country. But this is what a coal mining company in Northern Russia did to show its support to Yeltsin....and Yeltsin was not a popular man. Individual firms in modern Russian business have "suggested" for their people to vote for Putin as well. This policy does not come from Yeltsin or Putin but they are aware of it and do nothing about it so they become complicit. I don't know what Romney knows but noticing RNC behavior towards Ron Paul delegates it fits context. And if Romney had nothing to do with that either than it still calls in his competence as a leader if he does not know what his functionaries are doing.

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