Terror plot US : 19 year old private, but better than Ben Laden and Breivik.

[Menelik_I]

Prosecutors in rural Long County, near the sprawling Army post Fort Stewart, said the militia group of active and former U.S. military members spent at least $87,000 buying guns and bomb components. They allege the group was serious enough to kill two people — former soldier Michael Roark and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Tiffany York — by shooting them in the woods last December in order to keep its plans secret…

Pauley said Aguigui funded the militia using $500,000 in insurance and benefit payments from the death of his pregnant wife a year ago. Aguigui was not charged in his wife’s death, but Pauley told the judge her death was “highly suspicious.”…

In a videotaped interview with military investigators, Pauley said, Aguigui called himself “the nicest cold-blooded murderer you will ever meet.” He used the Army to recruit militia members, who wore distinctive tattoos that resemble an anarchy symbol, she said. Prosecutors say they have no idea how many members belong to the group…

The prosecutor said the militia group had big plans. It plotted to take over Fort Stewart by seizing its ammunition control point and talked of bombing the Forsyth Park fountain in nearby Savannah, she said. In Washington state, she added, the group plotted to bomb a dam and poison the state’s apple crop. Ultimately, prosecutors said, the militia’s goal was to overthrow the government and assassinate the president.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...d07cfffab3d0a7

One of the strangest thing about it all was that :

Aguigui, who allegedly founded and led the militia and supposedly ordered the killings of Roark and his girlfriend, is a 19-year-old private. One of his henchmen is a 25-year-old sergeant.

If for one thing, we should be ashamed to be talking on forums while a 19 year old private plans and almost manage to put his plan topple US government in march.

Looks like this one was stopped only because the Police go wind of him, but He already had a lot of gear in place.

Exit question : How much success this nutter would have with his rather ambitious plan ?

Edit: Tjanks for truth1337, I forgot to put the link in the OP. sorry about that.

[removeduser_487563287433]

How is this political?

[Stark of Winterfell]

The militia wanted to attack government targets, assassinate the president, and topple the government. If that isn't political, I don't know what is.

[Menelik_I]

The militia wanted to attack government targets, assassinate the president, and topple the government. If that isn't political, I don't know what is.

Had 50 000$ worth of gear ready and already had 2 people killed, so these dudes were serious.

I wonder how many anarchist militia nutters think that Obama being reelected is the end of America and are planning in going violent.

[SLN445]

Well if even half the the nutters are good on there word, a lot.

[justicar5]

I'd be shocked if they where actually anarchist, rather than just thinking the symbol looked cool. Either way, conspiracy to murder and murder charges then a long stay in prison for them.

[jsktrogdor]

I'd be shocked if they where actually anarchist, rather than just thinking the symbol looked cool. Either way, conspiracy to murder and murder charges then a long stay in prison for them.

It almost sounds like you think being an "anarchist" is a legitimate socio-political standpoint to hold? You fail to realize there is no such thing as an "anarchist" really. They're all just former angsty-teenagers who failed to grow up, are ignorant and niave about the world, and are trying to send a desperate rhetorical message that says "I'm different and so smart that I've thought my way out of the system" while failing to realize they're still entirely part of the system and always will be.

[Border Patrol]

Says the man that thinks anarchy and communism are the same thing?

[justicar5]

Says the man that thinks anarchy and communism are the same thing?

They are different things, they did work together (Paris Commune, Spanish Civil War) and have roughly the same goal, but ways and means are very different. (If you mean Bukharin inspired classic Anarchism ofc)

It almost sounds like you think being an "anarchist" is a legitimate socio-political standpoint to hold? You fail to realize there is no such thing as an "anarchist" really. They're all just former angsty-teenagers who failed to grow up, are ignorant and niave about the world, and are trying to send a desperate rhetorical message that says "I'm different and so smart that I've thought my way out of the system" while failing to realize they're still entirely part of the system and always will be.

Tell that to the 2 million strong Anarchist movement in Spain pre-Franco (CNT and FAI combined membership, taken from Hugh Thomas' the Spanish Civil War.) Who coincidently (or not) where the only people worth a damn in the first few days of the Fascist/Monarchist/Catholic rebellion that lead to the rise of Franco, they resisted and (with the backing of the Socialist and Communist unions) stopped the rebels winning instantly.

[jsktrogdor]

Tell that to the 2 million strong Anarchist movement in Spain pre-Franco (CNT and FAI combined membership, taken from Hugh Thomas' the Spanish Civil War.) Who coincidently (or not) where the only people worth a damn in the first few days of the Fascist/Monarchist/Catholic rebellion that lead to the rise of Franco, they resisted and (with the backing of the Socialist and Communist unions) stopped the rebels winning instantly.

In.... 1930s?

A modern anarchist is like a modern druid.

Also feel like a key element of your point is that they failed, as anarchists always have and always will.

[justicar5]

In.... 1930s?

A modern anarchist is like a modern druid.

Also feel like a key element of your point is that they failed, as anarchists always have and always will.

They lost. (Which given that Franco had the active backing of germany and italy at the time, while the Republic only had 'some stuff from the USSR sometimes) was likely, in fact that they held so long was a miracle.

[jsktrogdor]

They lost.

Exactly. I'm glad you agree, anarchists are useless children.

Speaking of a racist undercurrent...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19414600

lol, republicans. They're almost worse than anarchists.

[Border Patrol]

They are different things, they did work together (Paris Commune, Spanish Civil War) and have roughly the same goal, but ways and means are very different. (If you mean Bukharin inspired classic Anarchism ofc)



Tell that to the 2 million strong Anarchist movement in Spain pre-Franco (CNT and FAI combined membership, taken from Hugh Thomas' the Spanish Civil War.) Who coincidently (or not) where the only people worth a damn in the first few days of the Fascist/Monarchist/Catholic rebellion that lead to the rise of Franco, they resisted and (with the backing of the Socialist and Communist unions) stopped the rebels winning instantly.

Communism and anarchy are totally at odds. Anarchy is a world without rulers, a world without rulers would require a lack of force. A lack of force requires a lack of violence. Communists are not okay with not using violence, with not forcing a collective mindset. How do you think the two are similar in any way shape or form other than being completely fantastical utopias?

[justicar5]

Communism and anarchy are totally at odds. Anarchy is a world without rulers, a world without rulers would require a lack of force. A lack of force requires a lack of violence. Communists are not okay with not using violence, with not forcing a collective mindset. How do you think the two are similar in any way shape or form other than being completely fantastical utopias?

Except that the 'lack of force' was never part of anarchism, it has become so, but the original ideals and ideas involved workers and peasants revolution, Bukanin (typo'd his name earlier sorry) who devolped the original strain of anarchism, now called Anarcho-Communism, was a fully signed up member of the bombs and bullets brigade, believing in what would later be called 'Propaganda of the Deed'.

For one example of Communists and Anarchists working together we have http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_commune

They also did so during the Spanish Civil war as previously mentioned.

Anarchism and (Theoretical) Communism share the same aim: the withering away of the state, Communism believes in Dictatorship of the Proletariat first , Anarchism doesn't. But up until the failure of the First International Anarchism and Marxism where rivals working in cooperation.

You really want to have this conversation? Give me some run up and I can do a far better job then my slightly sleepy explanation here.

[stoogeofstooges]

Huh, first that idiot judge in Texas who claimed the UN was going to invade if Obama wins the next election, and now this? People don't seem to be bluffing anymore.

[jsktrogdor]

Huh, first that idiot judge in Texas who claimed the UN was going to invade if Obama wins the next election, and now this? People don't seem to be bluffing anymore.

Its racism IMHO. Yeah yeah yeah, I know, people are entitled to their political views and just because they dont like Obama doesnt make them a racist. I'm not saying everyone who doesnt like him is a racist, I'm not even saying most of them are. All I'm saying is that he's seen enormous, inordinant backlash for a relatively uneventful presidency. The economy is slowly erking back, a huge swath of its drag is related to the EU crisis & congress. The biggest controversal thing he's done is push a health care bill. And yet the US has seen an explosion of hate groups formed since 2008. People put his face on hitlers body, they claim he's not american, there was a huge spike in gun sales after he was elected, judges try to start civil wars over him and soldiers try to assasinate him.

The point is the man has had relatively unremarkable presidency, yet a strangely large number of people are treating it like his re-election would signal the end times. Theres not a whole lot to explain that magnitude of inapropriate over-reaction other than some deeply seeded, publicly hushed racist views.

Or its just pure coincidence that a president many people claim is the antichrist just happens to be black. Seems eeriely suspicious though.

[OCWife]

Or its just pure coincidence that a president many people claim is the antichrist just happens to be black. Seems eeriely suspicious though.

Every president is considered the antichrist by some group or another.

[Father Jack]

Its racism IMHO.
The point is the man has had relatively unremarkable presidency, yet a strangely large number of people are treating it like his re-election would signal the end times. Theres not a whole lot to explain that magnitude of inapropriate over-reaction other than some deeply seeded, publicly hushed racist views.

Or its just pure coincidence that a president many people claim is the antichrist just happens to be black. Seems eeriely suspicious though.

Speaking of a racist undercurrent...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19414600

[Phier]

Its racism IMHO. Yeah yeah yeah, I know, people are entitled to their political views and just because they dont like Obama doesnt make them a racist. I'm not saying everyone who doesnt like him is a racist, I'm not even saying most of them are. All I'm saying is that he's seen enormous, inordinant backlash for a relatively uneventful presidency. The economy is slowly erking back, a huge swath of its drag is related to the EU crisis & congress. The biggest controversal thing he's done is push a health care bill. And yet the US has seen an explosion of hate groups formed since 2008. People put his face on hitlers body, they claim he's not american, there was a huge spike in gun sales after he was elected, judges try to start civil wars over him and soldiers try to assasinate him.

The point is the man has had relatively unremarkable presidency, yet a strangely large number of people are treating it like his re-election would signal the end times. Theres not a whole lot to explain that magnitude of inapropriate over-reaction other than some deeply seeded, publicly hushed racist views.

Or its just pure coincidence that a president many people claim is the antichrist just happens to be black. Seems eeriely suspicious though.

His presidency was neutered in 2010 directly because of his awful policy.

[jsktrogdor]

His presidency was neutered in 2010 directly because of his awful policy.

Doesnt exactly justify a Judge preparing his county for a civil war does it?

I don't get why someone would go to the National Convention to throw nuts at a camerawoman when there were black speakers there. I also don't get why you'd target a person operating a camera for a news network unless you wanted what you did to be well known.

Assuming these people thought this through with their brain machines.