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    Default Which of these factions to play with?

    I just installed the RLC (Royal ladies of the court) mod because i have read about the difficulty of getting a marrige proposal for male FM's later in the game(i cant get past 100 turns most of the time because i keep finding great submods that make me restart the game ) and so i am starting a new campaign in late era VH/VH and i want to play as a more infantry based faction, my choices have come down to:

    Denmark
    Norway(is there any huge difference between Norway and Denmark at all besides color?)
    Teutonic Order
    HRE(really dont want to play as them, because i hate starting with a large country, its a nightmare to start managing it, but i love their 2 handed units)
    Scotland
    Crusader States

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    Crusader States is my call. Awesome units with really low upkeep.
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    Teutonic Order. Most badass faction in the game.

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    Aside from campaign targets, color and location, Norway starts with castles and Denmark with cities, so the difference of trope recruital and economy is extreme.

    For me it would be

    1Norway
    2Teutonic Order
    3Scotland
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    If you want severe bashing, religious orders are the way to go

    I find scandinavian factions cool, but it usually turns out in a big militia brawl since the lack of income and the similarties in the rosters
    (btw, Sweden is available too if you get Battle for the Baltic 2.0 )
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    Norway gets elite swordmen from citadels, king's hirdsmen or something. Denmark gets those elite halbertiers. I also think Denmark gets better cavalry... But anyways, they are pretty similar factions with few differences.

    I would say go for Norway, they are more vikingish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astarte View Post
    Norway gets elite swordmen from citadels, king's hirdsmen or something. Denmark gets those elite halbertiers. I also think Denmark gets better cavalry... But anyways, they are pretty similar factions with few differences.

    I would say go for Norway, they are more vikingish
    I was going to play with Norway originally, but i remembered that i wanted to install this submod, while i did that i had second thoughts about playing as Norway, i wish that they would make them sort of more unique, a extra viking unit would be nice, it would also be amazing to have a option to convert to paganism like Lithuania does to catholicism in the teutonic campaign, but from a quick search i found that it is not possible in SS because that has not been implemented, but that was a thread from a year ago, could it have changed in that time...?

    Anyway, im torn between Denmark/Norway and Crusader states(i would consider TO, but they dont have a family tree(i know there is a submod for that too, but that destroys the realism IMO))

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    Crusader states ftw. or ftl... lol

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    If it's not Scottish, its CRAP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck of Death View Post
    If it's not Scottish, its CRAP!
    I'll rip off your head and spit down your neck.

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    You'll find in the early and high eras of Denmark and Norway the unit selection is almost identical, dispite Norway having more assess to Viking units with the two castles Bergen and Oslo so you'll mainly thourhg those campaign be relying on your Local units until you can either expand further South or be ready to invade the British Isles. With Denmark you'll have your Swordstaff Militia (a unit that greatly differ the two faction) as a main body makeup as they are very versatile for a militia unit, once in the late era you'll find that Norway find remain still an offensive infantry based faction due to their badass King's Hirdsmen while Denmark while excel at combining their former infantry ties and implementing strong cavalry units. So between the two Norway's speed of expansion will only go as fast as their infantry can remain dominant on the battle field while Denmark while have to really push its effort if if wants the expand down into Europe and inevitably take on the HRE war machine.

    As the Teutonic Order you will have a lot of problems starting out, fellow Christian neighbours besides the HRE will not be interested in gaining an alliance with you and you don't have a large surplus of money to make them think otherwise, you'll find youself under constant threat from your natural enemies Lithuania. It's important to deal with the Danish and drive them from Revel as soon as possible to bump up your income but you will soon have your North-most region in trouble from Novgorod, the worst outcome is Poland making an early war against you if not under attack from the HRE, this will put every region you hold in jeapordy. From personal experience you HAVE to crush your neighbours with unrelenting force and be a real bastard at it too, excecute and assassinate is the way to go and damn the negative rep you gain. Once Lithuania and Novgorod are dealt with you are on your way to becoming an absolute powerhouse of Medieval Europe. Your unit are by far most domineering: plate armoured spearmen, halbruders with shields and who can forget the most dangerous and COOLEST knights at your disposal that can makie the enemy themselves on sight xD (and yes i LOVE the Teutons)

    I won't explan much on the HRE as it seems to be on the bottom of your list but like the Teutons they will find themselves at war from many greedy lesser factions, if you've head out long enough til the 1300's you'll have Zweihanders at your disposal which are as abundant as they are useful, although they lack exceptional units besides making use of Ritterbruders til the Teutonic Order emerges (if you're playing early era) you should have huge income to invest into Superior armies that can outnumber any faction in size and skill, by the late era you will have roughly dominated the Italians and the Polish and you should be on your way to finishing the campaign by doing away with the French. Practically as the HRE once you have secured your fronts with alliances you will be able to steamroll any faction without difficulty.....except when the pope becomes a sticky beak but due to being a stone's throw away you can just slam 10,000 florins down his throat and you're the best of pals

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chazz1225 View Post
    You'll find in the early and high eras of Denmark and Norway the unit selection is almost identical, dispite Norway having more assess to Viking units with the two castles Bergen and Oslo so you'll mainly thourhg those campaign be relying on your Local units until you can either expand further South or be ready to invade the British Isles. With Denmark you'll have your Swordstaff Militia (a unit that greatly differ the two faction) as a main body makeup as they are very versatile for a militia unit, once in the late era you'll find that Norway find remain still an offensive infantry based faction due to their badass King's Hirdsmen while Denmark while excel at combining their former infantry ties and implementing strong cavalry units. So between the two Norway's speed of expansion will only go as fast as their infantry can remain dominant on the battle field while Denmark while have to really push its effort if if wants the expand down into Europe and inevitably take on the HRE war machine.

    As the Teutonic Order you will have a lot of problems starting out, fellow Christian neighbours besides the HRE will not be interested in gaining an alliance with you and you don't have a large surplus of money to make them think otherwise, you'll find youself under constant threat from your natural enemies Lithuania. It's important to deal with the Danish and drive them from Revel as soon as possible to bump up your income but you will soon have your North-most region in trouble from Novgorod, the worst outcome is Poland making an early war against you if not under attack from the HRE, this will put every region you hold in jeapordy. From personal experience you HAVE to crush your neighbours with unrelenting force and be a real bastard at it too, excecute and assassinate is the way to go and damn the negative rep you gain. Once Lithuania and Novgorod are dealt with you are on your way to becoming an absolute powerhouse of Medieval Europe. Your unit are by far most domineering: plate armoured spearmen, halbruders with shields and who can forget the most dangerous and COOLEST knights at your disposal that can makie the enemy themselves on sight xD (and yes i LOVE the Teutons)

    I won't explan much on the HRE as it seems to be on the bottom of your list but like the Teutons they will find themselves at war from many greedy lesser factions, if you've head out long enough til the 1300's you'll have Zweihanders at your disposal which are as abundant as they are useful, although they lack exceptional units besides making use of Ritterbruders til the Teutonic Order emerges (if you're playing early era) you should have huge income to invest into Superior armies that can outnumber any faction in size and skill, by the late era you will have roughly dominated the Italians and the Polish and you should be on your way to finishing the campaign by doing away with the French. Practically as the HRE once you have secured your fronts with alliances you will be able to steamroll any faction without difficulty.....except when the pope becomes a sticky beak but due to being a stone's throw away you can just slam 10,000 florins down his throat and you're the best of pals
    What war machine?

    The HRE in SS is identical to Vanilla - it gets pwnt with no chance of regaining ground...after around 100 turns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rushwithoutmercy View Post
    What war machine?

    The HRE in SS is identical to Vanilla - it gets pwnt with no chance of regaining ground...after around 100 turns.
    Well it depends on what state of war they're in, if on multiple fronts then you've got a great chance of sweeping them, if not ALL their attention is directed at you that's why it's important to control Scandinavia if you're either Norway or Denmark so you'll be ready to take them on

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chazz1225 View Post
    You'll find in the early and high eras of Denmark and Norway the unit selection is almost identical, dispite Norway having more assess to Viking units with the two castles Bergen and Oslo so you'll mainly thourhg those campaign be relying on your Local units until you can either expand further South or be ready to invade the British Isles. With Denmark you'll have your Swordstaff Militia (a unit that greatly differ the two faction) as a main body makeup as they are very versatile for a militia unit, once in the late era you'll find that Norway find remain still an offensive infantry based faction due to their badass King's Hirdsmen while Denmark while excel at combining their former infantry ties and implementing strong cavalry units. So between the two Norway's speed of expansion will only go as fast as their infantry can remain dominant on the battle field while Denmark while have to really push its effort if if wants the expand down into Europe and inevitably take on the HRE war machine.
    Hmm, im guessing i will go with Norway if i must choose between Denmark and Norway, i played an almost complete Danish campaign in vanilla - it was tough but worth it, their late units kicked and the sword staffs were pretty good, but trying something new would be great, and their early/high is mostly the same as you said already, if i take out Denmark early i will only have a single city to guard from mainland Europe and i can build up a good economy/infrastructure before moving on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chazz1225 View Post
    As the Teutonic Order you will have a lot of problems starting out, fellow Christian neighbours besides the HRE will not be interested in gaining an alliance with you and you don't have a large surplus of money to make them think otherwise, you'll find youself under constant threat from your natural enemies Lithuania. It's important to deal with the Danish and drive them from Revel as soon as possible to bump up your income but you will soon have your North-most region in trouble from Novgorod, the worst outcome is Poland making an early war against you if not under attack from the HRE, this will put every region you hold in jeapordy. From personal experience you HAVE to crush your neighbours with unrelenting force and be a real bastard at it too, excecute and assassinate is the way to go and damn the negative rep you gain. Once Lithuania and Novgorod are dealt with you are on your way to becoming an absolute powerhouse of Medieval Europe. Your unit are by far most domineering: plate armoured spearmen, halbruders with shields and who can forget the most dangerous and COOLEST knights at your disposal that can makie the enemy themselves on sight xD (and yes i LOVE the Teutons)
    Well, nothing much i could say about this, a rape-pillage-burn to be respected kind of game, i will make note to use unrelenting force to kill my enemies by throwing them around It sounds tempting to just go berserk on anyone who dares to move a finger against me, i bet it would be especially fun to ride some ritterbruders into junior militia

    Quote Originally Posted by Chazz1225 View Post
    I won't explan much on the HRE as it seems to be on the bottom of your list but like the Teutons they will find themselves at war from many greedy lesser factions, if you've head out long enough til the 1300's you'll have Zweihanders at your disposal which are as abundant as they are useful, although they lack exceptional units besides making use of Ritterbruders til the Teutonic Order emerges (if you're playing early era) you should have huge income to invest into Superior armies that can outnumber any faction in size and skill, by the late era you will have roughly dominated the Italians and the Polish and you should be on your way to finishing the campaign by doing away with the French. Practically as the HRE once you have secured your fronts with alliances you will be able to steamroll any faction without difficulty.....except when the pope becomes a sticky beak but due to being a stone's throw away you can just slam 10,000 florins down his throat and you're the best of pals
    HRE defineatly is at the bottom because it takes such a long time to get to their zweihander units, they rarely see use in decisive battles because you already are a superpower. Plus i cant even begin to explain how much difficulty it is to start with such a large country. That last sentence about pope was really funny You deserve some rep for these long descriptions

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    Teutonic campaign is always very good, one of the things I miss most about late campaign (I play ssmap)
    My favourite faction is hre but only with their late units.
    Scottish are cool
    if you like pikes and once you take England pikes and longbow are a great combo. Never played Denmark or Norway, their lands are very poor

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    Denmark and Norway are both very poor nations so getting good armies with them is difficult. The holy Roman empire has some of the best heavy infantry and really good heavy Cav as well.

    Scotland's Heavy pikemen and such are a blast to play with and an absolute nightmare for France or any Calvary heavy nation.


    The crusader states is kinda like throwing all of Europe in a blender sometimes they have some really good heavy infantry and Calvary and their units have low upkeep but do to the Jihads the crusader campaign may be one of the hardest in the game. And to top off the fact every Muslim nation wants to kill you the Byzantines dot really care for you either. But i had a lot of fun doing a migratory campaign as the crusader states i grabbed as many troops as i could and sailed over to Italy and invades Sicily abandoning the holy land to come back later in a much stronger position once i had all of Italy and north Africa.

    Although its not a nation you mentioned late game Venice actually gets some cool heavy infantry that are quite excellent troops equipped with war hammers IIRC

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    Yes, i wanted to mention Venice in here too, but then i thought to myself that there are too little heavy inf in their roster. They do have other unique and interesting units like those armoured archers(forgot name, i think pesante archers) and stradiots which could very well be the best light cav in the game. Their war hammer heavy inf is pretty good and useful too, they almost killed a unit of foot ritterbruders in a 1v1 i did yesterday, mostly thanks to AP ability.

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    Play HRE. Migrate to Palermo and Tunis. Conquer moors capital in Iberia, quit all original provinces. Build a small kingdom, develop technology. Than start conquering world via italian and iberian peninsula. Crush scandinavian and french.

    Install this submod for better experience. http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=455434

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    Baltic warrior, never evaluate a faction about their army in custom battles. The badass units are very late available, or very hard to get.

    About Venice, I can say is one of the easiest campaigns and full of fun. Never say their colonial troops are not enough. Pesante archers and venetian heavy infantry (fanteria pesante) are easy to access them, and in moderate numbers. You can win battle after battle because them. Add to that easy access to religious orders, great urban troops like pavise gunners, pavise crossbows. Pavise gunners is available just for some european factions (french or english don't have them) and they are capable to kill janisaries, rittenbrunders and other heavy stuff in 1 vs 1. Add to that units like broken lances, man-at-arms and of course the original feudal units like DFK.

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