Historic group formations?

[Semper_Fidelis]

Hello

Well you all know that you can group your units and put them in formation? Well I think they should keep the colum formation but make it more faction specific. Like for Rome they would put the hastati in the front be the principes in the middle and triarii in the back and the rorarii at the very back. Or for the Gallic tribes they would form a triangle shape with their army (boars snout) things like that. It's not that hard to find ancient army formations. Thanks all

[Gaius Marius Maximus]

Ave

my friend i think if you do a little research in this forum you will find that this idea is
already suggested thank you

strength and Honor

[AndyMoszejevsky]

Hi,
I think all the RTW2 screens showed only the old formations with 120 men - without roman Manipulus (with 2 centuriae) and Ala (with 10 turmae), greek syntagma (with 2 taxis) and hipparchia (with 8 Ilia) !
Also an incorrect harmatarchia for the Chariots and possible similiar for the Elephants "wing".

Without historical formations I don't like to see this nice feature - but if CA really integrate historical units on battlefield - it would be nice to see some commands for the rows, not only for the romans - the greeks have much more different battle formations.

Andy

[Gaius Marius Maximus]

i think there are Velites troupes attached to heavy infantry in this Picture so imagine that you recruited
a group of 200 Roman Legionnaires strang and among the two hundred men will be ex: 40 light infantry to giving the aid to others in the Battle

[AndyMoszejevsky]

I hope, we see this feature - BTW I dont believe it !- also for the elephant corps - BTW the showed carthaginian elephants are much great in size - please CA take a look at the terracotta from Heraclea to show the right side of an forest elephant - also the tower is not correct !). Every elephant are support from 40-80 light infantry. I hope, we see Hannibal with his one tusk very great indian elephant Syrus. I like to see an switch option for Hannibal to use horse or his elephant. With his elephant the general camera is much improved but he is very slow.
The same for the germanic light cavalry - I like to see one horse with an rider + an runner holding on the mane or the side.
Also I like to see british chariots with noble driver !!! bring up his fighting infantry on the battlefield.
Also mounted Thureophoroi - they fight to food in the battle.

Andy

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

I hope, we see this feature - BTW I dont believe it !- also for the elephant corps - BTW the showed carthaginian elephants are much great in size - please CA take a look at the terracotta from Heraclea to show the right side of an forest elephant - also the tower is not correct !). Every elephant are support from 40-80 light infantry. I hope, we see Hannibal with his one tusk very great indian elephant Syrus. I like to see an switch option for Hannibal to use horse or his elephant. With his elephant the general camera is much improved but he is very slow.
The same for the germanic light cavalry - I like to see one horse with an rider + an runner holding on the mane or the side.
Also I like to see british chariots with noble driver !!! bring up his fighting infantry on the battlefield.
Also mounted Thureophoroi - they fight to food in the battle.

Andy

Yeah the elephants are maybe to Big,(they are fine if you ask mé)

But All the other things, you are not going to see Them ingame.
Why becourse mixed Unit is a ai up waiting to happen.
And calvary with inf. That Unit would be totally useless

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Double post day

[Hannibal Baca]

@Semper_Fidelis
You know that there are deuflat unit formations in army set up (For RTW1)?
Do you ?

[Semper_Fidelis]

@Semper_Fidelis
You know that there are deuflat unit formations in army set up (For RTW1)?
Do you ?

I know but if you read my post in detail, i wanted it faction specific, and that was not the case in the first Rome, every faction had the same group formations. Except for Shogun 2 in which every faction had the same group formations because they were practically one big faction. Like the Romans in Rome 1, how they had the same units, but with different colours.

[Zimmy]

Yeah! But really, I doubt it will come down to what's shown in the video.

[Manuel I Komnenos]

It would have been great if the early Roman legion was one distinct unit and not divided between hastati, principes and triarii. The legion unit could encompass the three mentioned units, i.e. the first 3 lines armed as hastati, the next three as principes and the last 3 as triarii (similar to M2TW, where the look/armor of the soldiers varied but this time with clear grouping as I mentioned). The same could be applied to other units as well. For example, the first and last lines of a phalanx unit could be armed to the teeth, with bronze breastplates, grieves and the in-between just with linen armor.

[AndyMoszejevsky]

It would have been great if the early Roman legion was one distinct unit and not divided between hastati, principes and triarii. The legion unit could encompass the three mentioned units, i.e. the first 3 lines armed as hastati, the next three as principes and the last 3 as triarii (similar to M2TW, where the look/armor of the soldiers varied but this time with clear grouping as I mentioned). The same could be applied to other units as well. For example, the first and last lines of a phalanx unit could be armed to the teeth, with bronze breastplates, grieves and the in-between just with linen armor.

Sorry - thats than fantasy ! We know that the 1st row at an syntagma (16 men) are all the officers of the column behind them. They are much better equipted like the others - Also most experienced Elite warriors of the greek phalanx stands in the last 3-4 rows - Poseidonios from Apamea and Xenophon wrote that.

In the roman manipular battle formation of an roman legion we have 10-15 (differents between Polybios and Livius !) Manipuli for every row - Hastati 120 men with 2 centuriae behind - in line formation beside - the same for the Principes - only the Trarii had 60 men Manipuli.

One consular army had 4 legions - 2 Romans and 1 latin and 1 allied legion, also 2 roman Alae with together 330+330=660 men, the allied Cavalry with doubled strenght Alae together 1200-1800 men and an corps of Extraordinarii with 1 Elite cavalry Alae and 4-6 heavy weaponed Infantry "Cohorts". The term cohort we have since 2nd punic war for the allied legions, but in spanish war region - Scipio Africanus fights in an mixed system - called "Meet Tactical" (in german Treffentaktik !) - possible he used one Hastatus, Principes and Triarius Manipulus togetether as one unit - first for the flanks of the Legions.


Andy

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

Again mixed units dosnt work well with the AI dude