PASSED 27.07.06: Maron for Civitates (Patron: Corporal_Hicks)

[Ó Cathasaigh]

Client: Maron\
Patron: Corporal_Hicks

USER NOTES:
could not find any at this time, as all moderators/staff were unavailable when I tried to contact them. If one could please make a quick search to make this information availale.

Dear members of the electing body,
I would like to thank you for considering me for civitateship, and I would like to thank Corporal_Hicks for offering to patronize me. I feel that I am a good candidate for civitateship, because I will go out of my way to represent TWC in a positive and constructive manner, and I believe that I would be a good contributing member to the governing body. I realize that along with the position of civitate comes a greater responsibility. I will be held to a higher standard of posting than other members which will make me reconsider every post and think twice before entering into a debate or argument. I will continue to post responsibly, and be welcoming and helpful to new members. I will continue to uphold the Terms of Service and the constitution. I will assist the moderators in any way possible by reporting any offensive or illegal material, and by attempting to keep straying discussions on topic. If you see fit to allow me to become a civitate, I will not disappoint you.

Thank you all very much,
-Maron

There is not much I realy can say about Maron that he has not allready covered himself. Maron is obvously a good candidate for civitate. He is very aware of the high prestiege that the rank of Civitates holds. He is also fully aware of the consequences for less than standard civi posing. I beleive that Maron will live up to his promises made in his paragraph. Call it faith, call it womans intuition, call it what you please, but I know that Maron has what it takes.

Posts of Interest
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showp...&postcount=800
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showp...76&postcount=9
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showp...5&postcount=15
Just a quick browse gave me these.

[Spiff]

I dont have time to look over him right now as im off to bed.. but i can confirm he has no user notes

Incidentaly, its always useful if you link to some of the posts or threads that made the candidate stick out from the rest when you were considering whether to sponsor him or not.. saves those seconds of hassle

[Ó Cathasaigh]

So Spiff has spoken, so it was done.

[imb39]

I'll look further later, but add a poll now. Nothing fancy, thinking is hard to do at the moment...

[Perikles]

He seems good to me, his article on archemides is excellent, and he did start the Pro-Religion thread and therefore FAITH...

[Denny Crane!]

I'm going to say yes, I'm particularly fond of people who make interesting (or lively) threads that stimulate the CC and he is active, seems relatively well behaved to.

Peter

[Siblesz]

No... I've seen him troll and flame a few times.

[Belisarius]

No... I've seen him troll and flame a few times.

If that is the case then, no from me.

[imb39]

He has bags of potential, that is obvious, but I agree with El Sib. Too hot tempered for a Civ at the moment.

[Ó Cathasaigh]

Hmmm, it would be nice to have evidence to see before you condemn him.

EDIT: Let me go more in depth.

You seem to be voting based on the word of sibsz. Yes, Sib is a good judge of character. He's basicaly the father of TWC. But I mean, just because sib said he saw some trolling, it doesn't mean that it's recent or even realy that bad. I've not seen anything wrong with his posts. He's involved in some of the most heated area's of discussion, so naturealy he's not going to high five his opponent at the end of each post, but I don't think he's done or said anything that terrible.

[imb39]

You seem to be voting based on the word of sibsz. Yes, Sib is a good judge of character. He's basicaly the father of TWC. But I mean, just because sib said he saw some trolling, it doesn't mean that it's recent or even realy that bad. I've not seen anything wrong with his posts. He's involved in some of the most heated area's of discussion, so naturealy he's not going to high five his opponent at the end of each post, but I don't think he's done or said anything that terrible.

I think that is a bit unfair. If you go through the previous votes - do we all follow Sibs' view? I will go on a limb and say, for me, no.

when you asked me about him , I told you I was unsure.

I tend to go with the theory (not exclusively, it must be said, that if I am not convinced then it is a no. I am not convinced AT THE MOMENT). Again, I have recieved a PM from him about concerns he has over one of his threads and that has caused me to think long and hard - it was the response I would expect from a Civ. I shall think about it some more. You raise a valid point about the types of debate that he gets himself in but that does not excuse any breaking of the ToS, be they recorded by a usernote or not.

[Wild Bill Kelso]

Cant say I agree

case in point:

i think the world would be a better place if the japs would have gotten owned by anyone :angry

the atrocities commited by them in world war 2 are unforgivable

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...487#post422487

umm... i dunno where u heard that because im from alabama and there is one flying in front of every gov't building and school that ive ever seen in this state. its heritage not hate. they can jus get their little feelings hurt for all we care

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showp...9&postcount=42

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showp...7&postcount=72

He needs to learn to not let DW bait him into pointless exercises which cannot be proved or disproved. He is a strong willed right winger, which does need to be represented in the civitate body, however, I fear what his true opinions are on certain issues. At times he flies a little too closely to the edge, just keeping back enough to not to get into trouble. I would prefer someone who outright states thier opinions, even if they are vile and get expelled from the site, rather than some who wishes to say something but does not because they know they will be banned. So what they do instead is hint at to thier true intentions, but never really show them. Maybe I am wrong, but I get the feeling that this is what Maron is doing.

[Kagemusha]

I think he is simply just not ready yet. He needs to show that he can controll himself.To Hicks.I think the case maybe that we Councillors have suffered from degrease of quality in our replies in these threads.Becouse after a while it just takes too much energy to write long posts.Its mostly just yes or no with some explanation.Maybe CdeC is lowering our quality as Civitates. :tooth:

[Lord Rahl]

He has been around awhile and I haven't seen anything for myself with trolling or anything. He has decent enough posts. I don't see why not. I voted yes. Besides, we have so many ****y people watching the Civs that if he screws up he'll be dealt with. We can let them in but we can also kick them out the door too.

[Fabolous]

I'm still reviewing Maron, but someone needs to change Hick's vote to abstain.

If a Peregrinus fails his civitates vote he must wait a minimum of one month before being put up for vote again. Members must abstain from voting on those they wish to patronize.

Hicks probably didn't know about that line (most of the CDC didn't the first few times it came up).

[Ó Cathasaigh]

Ah, I see. But my point was simply "what am I supposed to tell this guy when it fails? Sib said no?"

Please do take my vote from yes to abstain.

Good reply IMB. and WBK, very insitefull.

[imb39]

Poll edited to reflect Hicks' change.

[Fabolous]

Hmm, I am going ahead and voting yes. Tough vote to make though.

[imb39]

I have changed my vote purely on the basis on how he handled himself by pming me about an issue that concerned me... The decision was very close, but his actions were noteworthy (though not in the form of a usernote :wink: )

[Belisarius]

Damn it, I'll move to abstain.