Isreali settlement policy - Jewish settlements in Palestine

[Qasper]

Population of Jewish settlements in West Bank up 15,000 in a year - Number of settlers has almost doubled in 12 years, increasing obstacles to two-state solution to Israeli-Palestinian conflict

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...?newsfeed=true

Is the Isreali settlement policy not an issue anymore?

[sumskilz]

Is the Isreali settlement policy not an issue anymore?

To who?

[Qasper]

To who?

Here at the TWC for example, but also in the general news.

It's obvious that the Iran-issue has successfully suppressed the Israeli settlement policy.

[sumskilz]

Here at the TWC for example, but also in the general news.

It's obvious that the Iran-issue has successfully suppressed the Israeli settlement policy.

There are plenty TWC members who care, based on the issue being brought into other threads including the Israel/Iran thread. But what can really be said? Most everybody has fairly cemented opinions on the subject. Lord Mov's assessment seems to cover it.

[Qasper]

There are plenty TWC members who care, based on the issue being brought into other threads including the Israel/Iran thread. But what can really be said? Most everybody has fairly cemented opinions on the subject. Lord Mov's assessment seems to cover it.

Then we can close down the entire Discussion and Debate forum!

I don't know you, but perhaps you want to bring down a debate on the Isreali settlement policy before it even starts.

If that's the case then I regard your post as crap. I could go around and be crafty, or use wohlfeil terms and such... But that won't be necessary, as either I'm wrong or right... or neither.

It doesn't really matter... as the Isreali settlement policy will or will not be debated here.

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Israeli spending on West Bank settlements up 38% - Jewish population in the West Bank is growing almost two and a half times as fast as Israel's population

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[Armenum]

All Israel will get is a slap on the wrist for this. So they will do it and they have US standing behind their back, so that's enough support for them.

[Sir Pignans]

It's been discussed to death frankly. And honestly, there hasn't been any real controversy lately. The closest I came to posting a new thread was when they decided to evict 1,500 Palestinians, and the time they made the college into a fully fledged university.

[magpie]

Well one can discuss the greater Israel expansion plans, The question of a Palestinian state seems to be receeding into the history books.
Between settlement expansions and a trade embargo/blockade on Palestinian products the only place you will find Palestinians in another 20 years is in Jordan.

[Sir Pignans]

That seems like more of a PA topic than a mudpit one to be honest.

[Qasper]

Really, two senior TWC members saying that the Israeli settlement policy is not an issue is anymore, as it has been discussed already is a joke.

You two guys a jokers!

Surely, the Isreali settlements and their robbery of Palestinian lands is static -> IE it hasn't ever changed!

Is that what you are saying? You are so cute.


But it looks like you two want to derail a discussion on the Isreali settlement policy.

Well if that's your agenda... fine.

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South Africa refuses to accept products from the West Bank as Made in Israel:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...el?INTCMP=SRCH

Settler violence against Palestinians raises alarm in Israel:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...010_story.html

[sumskilz]

But it looks like you two want to derail a discussion on the Isreali settlement policy.

Well if that's your agenda... fine.

Seriously though, it's not that the settlements are not an issue. It's just that everybody knows they are, so what is there to discuss? Magpie's suggestion as a PA topic might produce some interesting results.

[Sir Pignans]

Wait. When did I say it wasn't an issue or that it shouldn't be discussed? I just said I hadn't found anything I found controversial to post and that it has been discussed to death.

I'm sure if a reasonable debate get's going somewhere and I see an opening I'll jump in head first, I personally love debating, with Israel being one of my favourite topics to discuss.

[Qasper]

Wait. When did I say it wasn't an issue or that it shouldn't be discussed? I just said I hadn't found anything I found controversial to post and that it has been discussed to death.

I'm sure if a reasonable debate get's going somewhere and I see an opening I'll jump in head first, I personally love debating, with Israel being one of my favourite topics to discuss.

Your are welcome, Sir Pignans!


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EU foreign policy chief criticises Israel over settlement expansion
http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/new...ment-expansion

[Sir Pignans]

A simple threat by me and you give way right now...?!

Hmm... you have to look in your mirror I guess... whatever.

Wait, you were threatening me? Besides. All I did was restate my original opinion. If you've changed the goalposts that is not my problem.

Besides, you're opening question made it very apparent whether the settlement problem was still an issue. Not about the issue itself. I answered said question.

[Qasper]

Wait, you were threatening me? Besides. All I did was restate my original opinion. If you've changed the goalposts that is not my problem.

Besides, you're opening question made it very apparent whether the settlement problem was still an issue. Not about the issue itself. I answered said question.

Sorry, Sir Pignans! I was rude there. Please excuse me. I changed/editied my above post!

You are very welcome!

This has been discussed to death. Everyone somewhat now agrees that the settlements are illegal and Israel shouldn't allow them any longer.

OK then! Please close this thread, as Azoth and others have discussed this issue, which is of course static.

I, and perhaps others, have missed out that discussion, but that was our fault for not being here when it happedn - and please also close all other threads on religion, politics, philsosophy and any other subject, as Azoth and other senior TWC-members have posted in threads on these matters!

Please excuse me for my insolence - I will never ever open up a thread on a current political matter in the future!

THE ABOVE IS DAMN SARCASIM! - MODS!: Don't close this thread.


PS: Azoth, pls give me a list of topic I can post on! I'm so sorry!

A fresh start.

I hope some senior TWC members (as seen above) will now not try to derail this thread, but will partake in a debate about the Israeli settlement policy (or simply not).


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EU foreign policy chief criticises Israel over settlement expansion:
http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/new...ment-expansion[/QUOTE]

South Africa refuses to accept products from the West Bank as Made in Israel:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...el?INTCMP=SRCH

Settler violence against Palestinians raises alarm in Israel:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...010_story.html

[Vanoi]

This has been discussed to death. Everyone somewhat now agrees that the settlements are illegal and Israel shouldn't allow them any longer.

[Sir Pignans]

A fresh start.

I hope some senior TWC members (as seen above) will now not try to derail this thread, but will partake in a debate about the Israeli settlement policy (or simply not).

You very specifically asked why it isn't an issue any more, you even said TWC specifically. You asked us about this.

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EU foreign policy chief criticises Israel over settlement expansion:
http://www.middleeastmonitor.com/new...ment-expansion

South Africa refuses to accept products from the West Bank as Made in Israel:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...el?INTCMP=SRCH

Settler violence against Palestinians raises alarm in Israel:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...010_story.html

And what are we supposed to do with this?

A paragraph that I could dissect and answer in detail would be very much appreciated, as oppose to handing me three sources and essentially telling me to work with it.

[Blaze86420]

This has been discussed to death. Everyone somewhat now agrees that the settlements are illegal and Israel shouldn't allow them any longer.

Somewhat? They are either illegal or they're not, and they're illegal, but there are still plenty of people who see the settlements as legitimate and want the eradication of Palestine.

Unless something changes right now, Palestine is as good as gone. The Israelis know that annexing land in one go is bad because you then end up with large Arab population within your borders, so you do it slowly, you strangle the population economically until they're all gone. And it's working, and for it to work even faster they need the PA to economically collapse and that can easily happen if aid is cut.

[Sir Pignans]

Unless something changes right now, Palestine is as good as gone. The Israelis know that annexing land in one go is bad because you then end up with large Arab population within your borders, so you do it slowly, you strangle the population economically until they're all gone. And it's working, and for it to work faster they need the PA to economically collapse and can easily happen aid is cut.

Well, no, Israel can't afford to annex all the Palestinian land. The Palestinians have a much faster growth rate, and I don't think they're going anywhere, so strangling them until they're gone won't work. Besides, they're not going to strangle the region economically, that would bring international condemnation from even the US. They're going to build as many settlements as they think they can get away with, and then 'ignore' rogue settlers. They can afford to keep the situation like that. They don't need Palestine to become a country.

[Qasper]

You very specifically asked why it isn't an issue any more, you even said TWC specifically. You asked us about this.

I literally don't understand you.

And what are we supposed to do with this?

A paragraph that I could dissect and answer in detail would be very much appreciated, as oppose to handing me three sources and essentially telling me to work with it.

Ignore it. WTF? Links to current palestinian/West Bank issues... If your are unable to handle posts or links to current affairs, then don't ask me for help.

Make up your own opinion or go to sleep... or do whatever you like. Are you going to ask me what to do after every post I post? If so, goggle for "own opinion", perhaps that might do the job. I can't really be bothered with someone asking me what to do all the time.

Somewhat? They are either illegal or they're not, and they're illegal, but there are still plenty of people who see the settlements as legitimate and want the eradication of Palestine.

Bibi and his friends bow to the settlers althought they occupy foreign territory. When will Israel give the Palestinan their land in the West Bank and in Jersusalem?
Ok, Palestinans that have lived in modern Israel for many centuries don't have the right to return. Fine. Foreign Jews that never lived in modern Israel have more rights, sure - that's logic. Why deny the Palestinians their homes in East-Jerusalem and the West Bank? If the current trend continous Israel is IMO a nationalst and racist country.

Well, no, Israel can't afford to annex all the Palestinian land.

You must be in permanent denial. I can see unicorns over there... Get it straight, dude. Or not.

The Palestinians have a much faster growth rate, and I don't think they're going anywhere, so strangling them until they're gone won't work.

What a pitty...

Besides, they're [your are talking about Jewish settlers, right?!] not going to strangle the region economically, that would bring international condemnation from even the US. They're going to build as many settlements as they think they can get away with, and then 'ignore' rogue settlers. They can afford to keep the situation like that. They don't need Palestine to become a country.You must be in permanent denial.

You used my phrase ("You must be in permanent denial" ).

Those settlers don't care for the wider issue. They must be fools... Well let them be... It will be an intersting news programm to see Israel clashing with it's Sunni neighbors.

But be assured, in the long term the US will support the country that supplies it with gas and oil and that's Israeal! So no worries... What, Israel hasn't any gas or oil?!...

I'm sure the US will accept and stand by Isreal even if it's gas prices sky-rocket. After all they are eternal allies. Who cares if the EU an China get gas/oil cheaper? Certainly not the US!...