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    Default Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    So speaking truth is wrong now?

    Israel and Jewish groups have protested after South Africa's cabinet approved regulations to label goods made in Israeli settlements as being from the Occupied Palestinian Territories.

    Israel's foreign ministry said the requirement was "totally unacceptable" and "blatant discrimination".

    But South African said the move conformed with its standing policy.

    Pro-Palestinian groups have called for a boycott and sanctions campaign against Israeli goods and companies.

    South African government spokesman Jimmy Manyi told reporters: "This is in line with South Africa's stance that recognises the 1948 borders delineated by the United Nations and does not recognise occupied territories beyond these borders as being part of the state of Israel."
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    The interesting part of Israel's anger is that Israel believes the label is... racism? Wait, so which part is racism by labeling the fact? Or may be Israeli government already consider West Bank is part of Israel and Palestinians would all be the citizens of Israel?

    Seriously, what is wrong with Israel?
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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    South Africa and Israel always had a special relationship what has happened here.Diddnt Israel try to sell South Africa nukes?
    This is the thanks they get...

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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    So they're just being a bunch of big babies?
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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    Thats quite funny,
    Tom, Israel had a special relationship with South Africa until the old white government was superseded.
    Things kind of went downhill with that relationship after that.

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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Jurisprudence Tom Cruise View Post
    South Africa and Israel always had a special relationship what has happened here.Diddnt Israel try to sell South Africa nukes?
    This is the thanks they get...
    Quote Originally Posted by magpie View Post
    Thats quite funny,
    Tom, Israel had a special relationship with South Africa until the old white government was superseded.
    Things kind of went downhill with that relationship after that.


    You're both right!
    Israel DID sell SAfrica nukes in the past, when the Apparheid (racist goverment) was in effect. Now that this is sad history for SAfrica, their special relation with Israel seems to have grown cold.
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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    It is occupied territories though.Unless Israel has annexed the west bank.Israel should clarify weather it thinks the goods are made in ISRAEL or OCCUPIED TERRITORIES.
    Which is it Nethanyahu.The settlements should be boycotted.No law in the world can make South Africa change this labelling.In fact it would be more racist if they ignored Palestinians right to exist by ignoring their right to a home and existence.

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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    The ironic part about boycotting products made in the settlements is that these manufacturers mostly employ Palestinians. While the Israelis who own the businesses can afford to relocate to Israel and employ immigrants at low wages instead if they have to, the Palestinians who loose their jobs don’t really have many other options.
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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    Quote Originally Posted by sumskilz View Post
    The ironic part about boycotting products made in the settlements is that these manufacturers mostly employ Palestinians. While the Israelis who own the businesses can afford to relocate to Israel and employ immigrants at low wages instead if they have to, the Palestinians who loose their jobs don’t really have many other options.
    Bingo, you've hit the jackpot. Naturally, those who made or pushed this decision don't give a about that. All they care about is how they managed to screw Israel over again.



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    Well, the label is entirely accurate.

    Israel protested over a similar thing in the UK:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8407289.stm

    They can shove it. The consumer will decide.
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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    holy crap 54k post ferret, that's impressive.


    Oh and interesting fact whenever the UN votes on the Israeli/Palestinian peace agreements and border disputes virtually all the nations in the world supports Palestine except the US. Since the US has veto power nothing ever happens unless the US approves of it and we all know(or should know) the US will come out on Isreal's side because of aipac and the large population of christian zealots(mostly evangelical dominionist) that support an all Jewish state in Israel for their own selfish reasons(end of the world conspiracy theories) or basic propaganda spewed out by the mainstream media.(wow that was a run on sentence)So anyways the US president is always cautious when dealing with Israel he doesn't want to lose popularity at home(pathetic reason) So basically the conflict will only end when the American view of the conflict is changed. Which is basically what happened when south Africa used to enforce Apartheid. Most of the world condemned South Africa for their racist policies except America and until America stopped vetoing bills in favor of South Africa nothing really happened.

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    Yeah, screwing Israel by accurately labeling produce.

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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    I should have probably used quotation marks.

    Still, this move is about as clever as it is factually correct, or helpful to the intended beneficiaries.



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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Dolgorukiy View Post
    I should have probably used quotation marks.

    Still, this move is about as clever as it is factually correct, or helpful to the intended beneficiaries.
    It is factually correct.

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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    It is not. The WB could be, at best, described as a 'disputed territory', not occupied, even less so 'Palestinian'.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolgorukiy View Post
    It is not. The WB could be, at best, described as a 'disputed territory', not occupied, even less so 'Palestinian'.
    It is accurate. They are the Palestinian Territories, and recognised as such. They are occupied by Israel. So what the is inaccurate about the labeling?

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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Dolgorukiy View Post
    It is not. The WB could be, at best, described as a 'disputed territory', not occupied, even less so 'Palestinian'.
    Every single country in the world recognizes it (Except Israel) as Occupied Territory. That even includes Israel's best friend the US. And the UN.

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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    Every single country in the world recognizes it (Except Israel) as Occupied Territory. That even includes Israel's best friend the US. And the UN.
    That's their problem then I guess, that doesn't make it true.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Dolgorukiy View Post
    That's their problem then I guess, that doesn't make it true.
    Yes its the rest of the world thats wrong, not Israel at all

    Sorry, but if all of the nations of the world recognize WB as occupied territory and Israel does not, it means Israel's opinion on the matter is jack .
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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Azoth View Post
    Yes its the rest of the world thats wrong, not Israel at all

    Sorry, but if all of the nations of the world recognize WB as occupied territory and Israel does not, it means Israel's opinion means jack .
    Actually NO, the opinion of Israel matters most because the others can DO jack about it.



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    Default Re: Israel is outraged at South Africa's "Occupied Palestinian Territories" label on goods

    Quote Originally Posted by Dolgorukiy View Post
    That's their problem then I guess, that doesn't make it true.
    c'mon man, the Palestinians/Arabs/Jordanians have been there a long time.

    Where were your family from originally? Russia? Since the fall of communism or before? I think you need to get past the nomenclature of a territory or its people to recognise there is disparity in social justice and freedom in the West Bank and Gaza. Arabs who have had family there for 500 years could turn around and say you views dont count because you are Russian. That still wouldnt help anyone.




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