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    Default Re: Historical Research Thread - New Visual Data "Uniforms and Equipment"

    Those Osprey books have great plates. They also have some great photos for uniforms and flags.

    However, you should note that a vast majority of the uniforms they do plates for were peace time or dress uniforms and not actually ever worn in battle (except for maybe the first battles, Manassass, Wilson's Creek). The 11th NY Fire Zouaves are a good example, in that their well known dress uniforms were all ditched prior to 1st Manassass because they were too hot to march in so they fought in undershirts and regulation trousers.


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    Default Re: Historical Research Thread - New Visual Data "Uniforms and Equipment"

    yes, I do agree... but, people don't want to have all units look the same in game, even if in reality there was little difference at all. I tried to represent that in my ZoR sub-mod with changing only small stuff like belts or shades of uniform and people actually complained that units weren't different enough. also, in-game, units don't care about the heat, or the cold for that matter... so fire zouaves uniform remains fire zouaves uniform throughout the year

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    The Battle of Franklin was fought on November 30, 1864, at Franklin, Tennessee, as part of the Franklin-Nashville Campaign of the American Civil War. It was one of the worst disasters of the war for the Confederate States Army. Confederate Lt. Gen. John Bell Hood's Army of Tennessee conducted numerous frontal assaults against fortified positions occupied by the Union forces under Maj. Gen. John M. Schofield and was unable to break through or to prevent Schofield from a planned, orderly withdrawal to Nashville.
    The Confederate assault with eighteen brigades of almost 20,000 men, sometimes called the "Pickett's Charge of the West", resulted in devastating losses to the men and the leadership of the Army of Tennessee—fourteen Confederate generals (six killed or mortally wounded, seven wounded, and one captured) and 55 regimental commanders were casualties. After its defeat against Maj. Gen. George H. Thomas in the subsequent Battle of Nashville, the Army of Tennessee retreated with barely half the men with which it had begun the short offensive, and was effectively destroyed as a fighting force for the remainder of the war.

    The Battle of Kennesaw Mountain was fought on June 27, 1864, during the Atlanta Campaign of the American Civil War. It was the most significant frontal assault launched by Union Maj. Gen. William T. Sherman against the Confederate Army of Tennessee under Gen. Joseph E. Johnston, ending in a tactical defeat for the Union forces.
    Sherman's 1864 campaign against Atlanta, Georgia, was initially characterized by a series of flanking maneuvers against Johnston, each of which compelling the Confederate army to withdraw from heavily fortified positions with minimal casualties on either side. After two months and 70 miles (110 km) of such maneuvering, Sherman's path was blocked by imposing fortifications on Kennesaw Mountain, near Marietta, Georgia, and the Union general chose to change his tactics and ordered a large-scale frontal assault on June 27, 1864. Maj. Gen. James B. McPherson feinted against the northern end of Kennesaw Mountain, while his corps under Maj. Gen. John A. Logan assaulted Pigeon Hill on its southwest corner. At the same time, Maj. Gen. George H. Thomas launched strong attacks against Cheatham Hill at the center of the Confederate line. Both attacks were repulsed with heavy losses, but a demonstration by Maj. Gen. John M. Schofield achieved a strategic success by threatening the Confederate army's left flank, prompting yet another Confederate withdrawal toward Atlanta and the removal of General Johnston from command of the army.
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    Default The "Civil War Chronicle" regarding the National Flags of the Confederacy is in error

    The "Chronicle" states that the First National Flag--The Stars and Bars with seven stars--was replaced by the Southern Cross--also known as the Battle Flag--which served as the national flag until the end of the war. That is incorrect, as the Southern Cross was never adopted as the national flag, and indeed the progression of flags is much more extensive than that.

    The First National Flag was indeed the Stars and Bars with seven stars, which was adopted on 4 March 1861. Two more stars were added on 21 May 1961, bringing the number to nine; another two were added on 2 July 1861, making eleven; and on 28 November 1861 two more were added, making thirteen, which remained until the Stars and Bars was replaced by the Second National Flag on 26 May 1863. That flag, also known as the Stainless Banner, consisted of a small Southern Cross in the upper left corner of an all-white flag; the reason for adopting the Second National Flag was that, at a distance, the Stars and Bars was occasionally mistaken for the Federal Stars and Stripes. It was replaced by the Third National Flag, known as the Blood Stained Banner, on 4 March 1865, which made it the final national flag of the Confederacy. The Second National Flag was said by some to be too similar to a flag of truce, hence the Third National Flag added a broad, red, vertical bar.

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    Default Re: The "Civil War Chronicle" regarding the National Flags of the Confederacy is in error

    I would be more than please if you would provide a more accuarte description and will add it to the new 3.5 version. try to make it a little more detailed an bigger than info provided above.

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    I love this photo


    Union General Herman Haupt, a civil engineer, moves across the Potomac River in a one-man pontoon boat that he invented for scouting and bridge inspection in an image taken between 1860 and 1865. Haupt, an 1835 graduate of West Point, was chief of construction and transportation of U.S. military railroads during the war. (AP Photo/Library of Congress, A.J. Russell)

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    "The 1st Missouri Cavalry was enlisted on December 30, 1861 with the majority of men being transferred from the Missouri State Guard. Following the Battle of Pea Ridge it was transferred East of the Mississippi to serve at Vicksburg. When Vicksburg fell on July 4, 1863, the regiment surrendered and immediately paroled. Since it was "declared exchanged" on 12 September 1863 it was able to go back into Confederate service. At some point between September 1863 and May 4, 1865 (final surrender at Meridian, Mississippi), it was consolidated with the 3rd Missouri Cavalry regiment. During its service, the 1st Missouri Cavalry served in: Little's Brigade; Gates' Brigade/Missouri Brigade, Bowens Division and finally in Missouri Brigade, French's Division, Department of Alabama, Mississippi and East Louisiana."
    http://www.missouridivision-scv.org/mounits/1mocav.htm

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    Default Re: 3.6 Progress Report - Sept., Oct., Nov., Dec. 2013

    Hello everyone! I just found some british uniforms of the time if you are interested.
    It's mostly from the Crimean War but there's also some Canadians from the fenian raids.

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    British uniforms underwent a lot of changes in 1855. The uniforms worn by the almost entirety of regiments in the Crimea were of an earlier pattern, more in common with the army from the Peninsular Campaign and Waterloo than those that followed. The 1860's uniform is more the 'early Victorian style' with the 1855 Pattern Tunic already well represented in the mod.
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    Default Re: 3.6 Progress Report - Sept., Oct., Nov., Dec. 2013

    What do you mean by 'early victorian style'? The Victorian age started in the 1830s so I would call the crimean uniforms pretty early.
    Do you have any pictures?

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    Default Re: 3.6 Progress Report - Sept., Oct., Nov., Dec. 2013

    Quote Originally Posted by Wismar View Post
    Do you have any pictures?









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    On the left, 1855 tunic, on the right, previous. The current in game one looks more like various Canadian colonial pattern tunics, which is fitting.
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    Colonial patterns often varied, Indian Khaki, New Zealand etc... and apparently it seems in Canada as well. Some Fenian Raid period Canadian pattern uniforms:


    Private of the 10th Royal Regiment of Toronto Volunteers in the Fenian Raids of 1866
    (artist: R.J. Marrion - copyright :Canadian War Museum)


    Big pic: http://carletonplacelocalhistory.fil...1/fenian-2.jpg


    http://britishmilitariaforums.yuku.c...-#.U0WypvldWSp
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    Default Re: Historical Research Thread

    Was it the Russians that doomed the Confederacy?

    U.S. Civil War: The US-Russian Alliance that Saved the Union
    http://www.voltairenet.org/article169488.html



    At the point of maximum war danger between Great Britain and the United States,
    the London satirical publication Punch published a vicious caricature of
    US President Abraham Lincoln and Russian Tsar Alexander II,
    demonizing the two friends as bloody oppressors.
    From Punch, October 24, 1863.

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    Default Re: 3.6 Progress Report - Sept., Oct., Nov., Dec. 2013

    Very nice but shouldn't the british regulars atleast have a backpack and some other stuff like in the picture 'pappagoat' posted?
    The coats should also have two rows of buttons.

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    Icon1 1864 2. schleswig war

    Hi i know it is alittle off topic, thus not the american civil war, but Danish televesion has released a trailer on their new televesion miniseries about the 2. schleswig war, fought between Prussia/Austria and Denmark in 1864. Its the same timeperiod, so maybe people in here would find it interesting (sorry my bad english) :-)



    Hope you enjoy!

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    Default Re: 1864 2. schleswig war

    wiki link for the persons who are interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Schleswig_War

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    Default Re: Historical Info, Research & Discussion thread

    Thats sounds like an awesome series for you danes and very interesting, since the danish war is one of the most overlooked ones.

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