Are these computers good for gaming?

[sapguy]

would these pcs be great for shogun 2 and rome 2?

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/produ...67aab4ef9den02

what about this one?
http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/produ...c2caeddca7en02

thank you!

[irishron]

1. Neither have a dedicated graphics card listed and you will need a good one.
2. total War games don't care about shared graphics memory, only dedicated graphics memory.
3. RAM is not as fast as VRAM.
4. HP locks the BIOS so you're stuck with their BIOS settings.

[sapguy]

actully if you read closly where it says dedicated vram it says yes and it shows graphics cards to so...on the bottom

[irishron]

You're right, I missed them. The second one with the 6670 is the better card.

[sapguy]

Is it really? i thoght the higher the number the better for the GPUS. but they are good pcs right?

[Bolkonsky]

Avoid HP. Buy parts and build it yourself, it's much cheaper.

If you're interested, fill out this:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...0#post11844540

[sapguy]

Avoid HP. Buy parts and build it yourself, it's much cheaper.

If you're interested, fill out this:
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...0#post11844540

Nah i think its too much effort, these to pcs look really good to me.

[irishron]

The first number is the card's generation. The higher the second number, the better it is with a few exceptions. 1gb cards about stanard for Shogun2, now. My old card will play it and good thing I'm not a graphics nut. dx9 and low/medium settings.

[sapguy]

ive made my decision and im going to buy the 2nd choice. do you think it will run SHOGUN 2 very good on ultra?

[karamazovmm]

ive made my decision and im going to buy the 2nd choice. do you think it will run SHOGUN 2 very good on ultra?

depends on the res, but at 1080p, try medium

[irishron]

I'd say a better chance on high. The cpu will still bottleneck in melee but not as abd the first one.

[sapguy]

Really? i thoht the cpu is pretty danm good.

[Crazyeyesreaper]

it is but it takes a 4.5GHz + 3770k or roughly nearly 5 GHz 2600 to get above 30 fps avg in large Melee battles,

GPU is weak i know as i actually have a 6670, the PC really isnt that good for gaming its decent but like anything prebuilt you pay a premium for someone else to assemble it and in this case as noted above youll probably be running medium, with a few extra settings turned off for performance always above 30fps.

[sapguy]

with premaid pcs can you change the gpu whenever you want or is it stuck?

[Crazyeyesreaper]

you can change it but depending on the inside of the case, newer gpus may not fit, the power supply that powers all components may not be strong enough or even have the proper connectors in some cases aka Dell ive seen do this a few times.

its pre made

the mobos are the cheapest of the cheap, paired with a generally good CPU with a lackluster or terrible GPU and get branded as gaming machines, Thats how the industry works they find in this case uninformed buyers aka you then throw big numbers at you for the WOW effect you spend money they make profit, later you have to buy another PC again or spend more out of pocket to end up with what you should have had in the first place.

regardless high end test PC for a well known PC hardware review site overclocked i7 920 using multiple gpus to compare performance you will see at 1920x1080 / 1920x1200 with AA off all settings on high a 6670 gets just 18 fps in the regular every day benchmark
The benchmark for testing the GPU doesnt have any fighting just soldiers standing around, CPU bench will drop you down to below 20 on the Intel 2600 as its running stock so essentially at max settings with no AA a 6670 is not playable it takes running it a much lower settings to get proper performance,

It takes a properly balanced and setup system to really get the best gaming from it, you dont need the latest and greatest biggest or fastest but common sense and proper part choice means alot, and most OEMs aka HP, Dell. Acer will stick a big old badass CPU in the PC but put utter junk in for the rest most of the time.


Also from the looks your in Canada? look at Memory Express, NCIX, Newegg.CA they may have better selection, just know shipping with Newegg.CA is usually expensive as they are based in the US.

[sapguy]

ugh! i cant find a premaid computer with a good vga! theirs one here, how is that?
http://www.staples.ca/ENG/Catalog/ca...affixedcode=WW

[sapguy]

I just watch some vids with the hd 6670 on youtube and pepole got worse cpus and ram and it runs flawlessly.

[Lord of Lost Socks]

Seriously. Compile your own PC. You can get a MUCH better one, for the same amount of money. And the people here can help you how to do it.

[sapguy]

im only 17 and im not a computer wiz so id rather but a pc

[sapguy]

im only 17 and im not a computer wiz so id rather buy a pc