I am forced to research?

**Santeri** · August 22, 2012, 05:55 PM

So I'm role-playing traditional Satsuma campaign and I just noticed you can't deselect research. Has it always been like this? I think I have deselected researching before, maybe it's problem with patch? Whatever is the case I hope in future I can decide myself what and when I research because right now I get unwanted modernisation points

**edliu111** · August 22, 2012, 08:00 PM

well, why are you behind in balancing the modernisation points? ie repression, seclusion research, inns, etc.

**Vice** · August 22, 2012, 09:49 PM

Its very easy to control modernization...Simply only build Dojo's and The Inn's that take away from it and stay clear of buildings that add to it. I was able to never get a point past lvl 2 in my last Campaign playing as the Aizu using only traditional units for the whole game. If you have money woe's because your buildings do not make enough money be sure and LOOT provinces when you capture them...However try not to let your Daimyo's honor go below 3...so be sure and make 3 vassals along the way...they will cancel out the 3 looting negative points you get.

**Humble Warrior** · August 23, 2012, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by Vice

However try not to let your Daimyo's honor go below 3...so be sure and make 3 vassals along the way...they will cancel out the 3 looting negative points you get.

What happens when the diamyo`s honour goes below 3?

**ccgr1121** · August 23, 2012, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Humble Warrior

What happens when the diamyo`s honour goes below 3?

Your generals become less loyal, your provinces become unhappy and diplomacy takes a hit, as far as I know.

It gets worse the lower it goes.

Obviously, the opposite happens when your honour increases.

**Humble Warrior** · August 23, 2012, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by ccgr1121

Your generals become less loyal, your provinces become unhappy and diplomacy takes a hit, as far as I know.

It gets worse the lower it goes.

Obviously, the opposite happens when your honour increases.

Thanks.
Well I`ve been desperate due to every faction and their grandma attacking me so I`ve had to constantly sack. If i didn`t, they would`ve destroyed me by now.

Might explain why my Generals have quite low loyalty, even when rewarded with status. Although the penalty is not as harsh as I would`ve expected.

**IGdood** · August 23, 2012, 11:38 AM

You start incurring diplomatic penalties.

Edit: Ninja'd.

**bladeroffire** · August 24, 2012, 04:53 AM

kinda sucks they say you can play it in any style you want
but if you go around looting and slaughtering every one they all get very

with you

in other words they make it incredibly hard to rule by force.

**General Maximus** · August 24, 2012, 07:36 AM

This is the reason I don't try to research at all. But then, it auto-starts a research for me. It put me off.

It is extremely hard to 'not' get modernised. They should add a feature to deselect the research.

Once you start a research, you cannot stop it anyway. They force you to become a gun wielding lord, or rather say, they force to not be a old style Samurai lord and this means they force you to do things their way, completely opposite from what was written by them in the manual.

In Empire and Napoleon, this system was better. Even if it started with Empire, there was an option to cancel and completely stop researching.

**Humble Warrior** · August 24, 2012, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by General Maximus

there was an option to cancel and completely stop researching.

This, I would have preferred. There have been techs or social `improvements` I just don`t want, but can`t stop. And once created they take effect everywhere, they can`t even be put on hold. Silly.

**General Maximus** · August 24, 2012, 08:48 AM

Yes, and a quote:

"Wars may begin when you will, but they will not end when you please."
-- Niccolo Machiavelli

It seems that they took this literally, and applied it to the research and tech system, the thing this quote was never ever meant for.