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    Default We need a sticky...

    For new build questions that gets the poster to post what they want, what they have and when.

    A lot of these questions follow the same pattern so be useful to put a sticky with a template that posters can hopefully use - no guarantee of course but could help. Something like this:

    What do you currently have:
    1. CPU - intel/AMD (other?). Type.
    2. GPU
    3. Mobo.
    4. Peripherals
    5. Case

    What do you want to do?
    1. Games played
    2. OS - single or multi-boot
    3. HDD usage - all data storage (large externals), or startup speed (SSD's) or a mix?

    How much do you have to spend?

    When will you be buying?
    If within 1 month then prices will be valid - 6 months there may be components due out worth waiting for, outside of this, just save your pennies, seashells whatever as everything will have changed outside of that.

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    I made one, the mods wont stick it, they made that jumbo sticky...

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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    Bolkonsky already made a thread for this detailing the exact info a week ago or so. lol forgot to hit post.... i hit it its 30 mins after Bolk already responded lulz
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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    In my view its best to put a sticky with questionnaires than a sticky, even if its jumbo (worst thing possible), with outdated info, no matter what people are still going to ask the same goddamn questions.

    From my past 2 compilations regarding desktops and notebooks, I can say that they are going to be forgotten, not used, and Im not going to update that thing.

    this sticky is one last effort to see if I can actually update things, its on another forum though
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/what...ompendium.html

    while it was a huge success with over 120k views in 3 months, its a pain to update all models, get the specs, hunt for threads that talk about the models, hunt for the issues in each model and the list goes on. And I made it because I was interested in buying a notebook that filled that criteria. And sincerely from the models listed in the thread I would actually buy something else, probably the RMBP (weight, cooling, screen, power, battery life...)

    In notebook reivew forums we use a sticky for that purpose, to question what are the needs, uses and preferences of the buyer, much easier than to sticky every gaming notebook (actually it would be around 10 models), then stick workstation class, business class...

    here is the questionnaire
    Notebook review questionnaire
    START COPY
    ==========

    General Questions

    1) What is your budget?

    2) What size notebook would you prefer?

    a. Netbook; 10” screen or less
    b. Ultraportable; 11" - 12” screen
    c. Thin and Light; 13" - 14" screen
    d. Mainstream; 15" - 16" screen
    e. Desktop Replacement; 17"+ screen
    3) Where will you buying this notebook? You can select the flag of your country as an indicator.

    4) Are there any brands that you prefer or any you really don't like?
    a. Like:
    b. Dislike:
    5) Would you consider laptops that are refurbished/redistributed?

    6) What are the primary tasks will you be performing with this notebook?

    7) Will you be taking the notebook with you to different places, leaving it on your desk or both?

    8) Will you be playing games on your notebook? If so, please state which games or types of games?

    9) How many hours of battery life do you need?

    10) Would you prefer to see the notebooks you're considering before purchasing it or buying a notebook on-line without seeing it is OK?

    11) What OS do you prefer? Windows (XP or Vista or Windows 7), Mac OS, Linux, etc.

    Screen Specifics

    12) From the choices below, what screen resolution(s) would you prefer? Keep in mind screen size in conjunction with resolution will play a large role in overall viewing comfort level. Everyone is different. Some like really small text, while others like their text big and easy to read. Click here for Screen resolution information.

    13) Do you want a Glossy/reflective screen or a Matte/non-glossy screen?

    Build Quality and Design

    14) Are the notebook's looks and stylishness important to you?

    15) When are you buying this laptop?

    16) How long do you want this laptop to last?

    Notebook Components

    17) How much hard drive space do you need; 80GB to 640GB? Do you want a SSD drive?

    18) Do you need an optical drive? If yes, a DVD Burner, Blu-ray Reader or Blu-Ray Burner?

    ==========
    END COPY

    Please state any additional features you need. It's also helpful if you can indicate how experienced you are with computers. If you're a novice and don't know much, that's alright. Everyone's a novice at some point.



    Glossary and Explanations

    Glossy vs. Matte Screen

    Matte screens have an anti-reflective coating. Glossy screens generally offer more contrast and colors are more vivid. They do however produce more glare. Some people like them, others do not. The glare problem is most acute in well lit environments, like an office. Glossy screens tend to be better for multimedia uses like viewing DVDs or photos. If you are unfamiliar with the screen types, we would highly recommend you check some of each type out before you buy. The screen is one of the more important parts on a notebook. You don't want to get stuck with something you don't like.


    SSD (Solid State Drive)

    A solid state drive is a flash based storage device which uses non-volatile NAND memory chips instead of the traditional mechanical rotating disk and reading head. This newer technology drives perform much faster since they dont need spin up. Think of it as using your RAM as your hard drive. It consumes less power since there are no mechanical moving parts, this in turn also gives SSD's the advantage of running cooler. They are also impervious from damage by vibration, shock and magnetism.

    The downsides compared to a traditional HD is it lacks storage capacity and the cost is much higher per GB.


    Screen resolution

    If you are unsure of what to purchase, we would highly recommend you check some notebook screens before you buy to see what you like. You may also wish to take a look at the notebook screen guide for more information.

    Netbook resolution: WSVGA
    Actual resolutions: 1024x600 and 1024x576
    Offered on Netbooks 10" and smaller
    Netbook standard resolution. This is the lowest resolution available, and is designed to easily read text and icons on smaller-sized netbook screens. However, this leads to a somewhat “crowded” display that can generally only handle one visible window at a time. Typically not available on larger machines.
    Standard Resolutions: WXGA, HD, 720p
    Actual resolutions: 1280x800 and 1366x768
    Offered on larger Netbooks and Notebooks up to 16"
    Lower resolution screens offer big text and icons that are easy to read. Less stuff fits on the screen, which translates into more scrolling. Multiple windows can be worked with, though they may have to overlap some.
    Midrange Resolutions: WXGA+, HD+, 900p
    Actual resolutions: 1440x900 and 1600x900
    Offered on all Notebooks. Keep in mind text will be very small on a 12" WXGA+ notebook.
    A set of in-between resolution options that are found on some machines. Considered base resolution on 17" inch and higher laptops. Text and icons are smaller than standard resolution screens, and more windows fit onto the screen. These resolutions are very good for working with multiple windows side-by-side, without having to overlap them.
    Maximum Resolutions: WSXGA+, WUXGA, FHD, 1080p
    Actual resolutions: 1680x1050, 1920x1200 and 1920x1080
    Offered on Notebook 15" and larger
    On these screens text and icons will be very small. Text can often be hard to read, though some do like it. A very large number of windows fit on the screen, and there will be little need to overlap any of them. Max resolution screens are good for applications that require high detail (CAD, graphics editing, etc.)



    Typical Definitions of Refurbished Notebooks

    Refurbished notebooks often come at significantly lower prices and are generally covered by warranties by Dell, HP, and Lenovo. Lenovo generally has a universal 1 year warranty, while Dell has standard 3 on their business lines and 1 on consumer laptops (all extendable). HP offers a choice of 1 or 3 years. Other stores like Tiger Direct only offer 90 days. These laptops are in conditions ranging from being never powered on to scratch and dent (but still fully operational).

    Refurbished:
    Laptops that may or may not have been powered on.
    Laptops that may or may not have the security seal of the box broken.
    Laptops that may or may not have been used.
    Laptops that may or may not have minimal cosmetic "scratches".

    Redistributed:
    Laptops that where ordered and never delivered.
    Laptops that where place on order but never shipped.
    Laptops that where ordered but then canceled and never shipped.
    Laptop is new and sealed in box.
    Laptop has never been turned on.
    Security seal is not broken.
    Laptop is in mint condition.

    Scratch & Dent:
    Laptop has been turned on.
    Laptop has been used before.
    Security seal is broken.
    Laptop may have noticeable cosmetic dents.
    Laptop was fully restored to manufacturing state.

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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    Get Legio to add it to this.

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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    Get Legio to add it to this.
    thats the argument, we could actually replace that with just a stick with question for notebooks and desktops. All the information in there is outdated, my thread as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    Get Legio to add it to this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Karamazovmm View Post
    thats the argument, we could actually replace that with just a stick with question for notebooks and desktops. All the information in there is outdated, my thread as well
    Have a list of which ones that are outdated and we can unsticky? A good share of these would fall off the first page and never heard from, again.

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    If we're going to stick some, I can rewrite whatever's needed (minus notebooks.)

    Pretty much everything's out-dated.

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=52428
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=328383
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=328381
    Latest Virus Threats (link doesn't work.)
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=412920
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=52737
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=473490
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80668
    Even Sim's RAM thread is outdated a little bit:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=184908

    Most of those are redundant and/or don't need to be stuck in the first place.

    Here's the thread I wrote:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...0#post11844540
    Which should be stuck.

    We should also have a notebook equivalent stuck, a troubleshooting guide stuck, and a PC guide/assembly guide stuck. The jumbo thread is useless and no one's reading it.

    We need threads clearly labeled:

    "Before Asking for Desktop Advice"
    "Before Asking for Laptop Advice"
    "Troubleshooting Guide"
    "Computer Guide/How to Build a Computer"
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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bolkonsky View Post
    If we're going to stick some, I can rewrite whatever's needed (minus notebooks.)

    Pretty much everything's out-dated.

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=52428
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=328383
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=328381
    Latest Virus Threats (link doesn't work.)
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=412920
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=52737
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=473490
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80668
    Even Sim's RAM thread is outdated a little bit:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=184908

    Most of those are redundant and/or don't need to be stuck in the first place.

    Here's the thread I wrote:
    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...0#post11844540
    Which should be stuck.

    We should also have a notebook equivalent stuck, a troubleshooting guide stuck, and a PC guide/assembly guide stuck. The jumbo thread is useless and no one's reading it.

    We need threads clearly labeled:

    "Before Asking for Desktop Advice"
    "Before Asking for Laptop Advice"
    "Troubleshooting Guide"
    "Computer Guide/How to Build a Computer"
    Are you going to use your Tech license to handle it or are you waiting on one of us?

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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    I talked to Legio about it, he said one big sticky only, so I'm not doing anything about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bolkonsky
    Quote Originally Posted by Legio
    Quote Originally Posted by Bolkonsky
    Quote Originally Posted by Legio
    Moderation Staff and Hex have discussed the sticky you reported and come to the conclusion that it is the best solution currently on the table. However, your offer of helping to update it is appreciated.

    What would you suggest?

    OK well obviously people have a hard enough time looking at the stickies as it is, so having them jumbled in one big thread is counter-productive. That said, so was having that many stickies. A lot of those were redundant/out of date/just plain necessary.

    That said, we see the same old threads and ask the same old questions and it takes days to get all the information we need to help people, so I would propose a series of threads similar to the one me and Crazyeyesreaper just wrote. I'll write them with him if I get the go ahead. Basically we want a:

    -Troubleshooting Sticky (Where we go through the basic troubleshooting and preliminary tests, such as swapping RAM, or running virus scans, memtest, defrag, etc, and how to post the necessary information for us to help.)
    -Building/Upgrading Sticky (Already written - all the basic things we need to know to recommend parts from the get-go.)
    -Computer FAQ thread. (Definitely would need to be maintained, but we could do it easily enough. Various common questions in the OP and minor questions can be asked there, should I run SLI/Xfire, how much RAM can my computer take, what is 32bit vs 64 bit, etc.)
    -Computers Explained (A run-down of computers, computer parts, how they function and their relationship to one another. Mr Crustry wrote a similar thread but it's very dated and too markets specific, we need something more abstract so we don't constantly have to explain things to people.)

    And then everything else can go under a big sticky.
    Staff decided on one sticky (apart from Skimlinks and the Content one), though.
    Updating the jumbo sticky is a waste of time, get someone else to do it then. No one's going to read the damn thing. We need three or four so that people will post the information we need and speed up the process so we don't have to ask the same questions a million times and slow things down. Staff doesn't even post there other than Irishron, who can tell you the same thing I'm telling you, as he's always asking "post your dxdiag" "what's a dxdiag? how do I post it" "go to Run..etc etc"

    It's the entire function of the forum, I don't see why the stickies can't do what they're supposed to do in this instance.
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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bolkonsky View Post
    I talked to Legio about it, he said one big sticky only, so I'm not doing anything about it.
    If it helps, the one big sticky, or at least no larger number of stickies than there already are, is a moderation line set by GED.

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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    Quote Originally Posted by pannonian View Post
    If it helps, the one big sticky, or at least no larger number of stickies than there already are, is a moderation line set by GED.
    I still think it's stupid as hell, counter productive, and completely defeats the point of stickies. We could have several stickies, and the section would run much smoother. Or we could have the jumbo sticky, that everyone ignores because they have no idea what's inside and it's not what they came here for. And then we spend hours of time making parts lists or giving advice to find out they can't purchase from that site, or the answer to their problem is much simpler, or something's not compatible, and/or asking thousands of questions to determine all these variables. This is a forum, we might as well put it to the use of one.

    Oh, and not for anything, but I don't see GED in here doing build threads. I would call his policy unqualified and misinformed. You have three people active in this sub-forum (in fact, the three most active) telling you the same thing, you should be listening to them.
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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    Agreed, i have little time as is i spend most of it now trying not to rage or act like dink, so having a thread clearly laid out and sticked to start a thread answering said questions helps makes my life infinitely easier, and less likely to get banned and or infracted which is a good thing i would hope lol as it means people know WHAT to ask and I can quickly respond, and when people need help lets face it they dont want to wait forever or post 60 times to get the info necessary that could have been handled in post #1
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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    now, who wants some tea? Lets be civilized and talk about the dreadful menace of the poor people in africa, so uncivilized!

    Here is what I propose, we unsticky all of the things in that sticky, they are all outdated. We can save Sim post, but should we? And stick the 2 questionnaires about notebooks and desktops

    From what I can see, what the basement really is, its place where people come ask questions on what to buy, what to upgrade, cry for help and talk about general hardware/software (smartphones, consoles[though we are seeing little of it today, the next generation is getting nearer..], various windows forms).

    Thus general guides of how to build things are, welcome, but we could simply link to youtube, wheelchair did some good youtube videos about it, they are now outdated (though I havent watched them in a long time he could have made some new ones), we dont really need to create the content and to update links is much better then to get a good write up each year, that usually takes a few hours. And this is basically the same for the various bits and pieces, we can maybe have some write up on how a pc works, very basic to get people that dont know anything get the message, though I dont think its productive as well.

    We can simply focus, on the 2 questionnaires that we have, the notebook and the desktop, I can guess that the idea of the change that was made by legio concocted by GED was to simply make stickies more useful, they are indeed ignored when you have tons of them as we did. But that format I dont agree that its more effective.

    Simple and effective the questionnaires as the 2 stickies or even as one, the rest are so seldom used that as ron pointed out we are never going to see them again.

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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    You can use a few stickies that then link to subsections that provide expansions:

    Building a Machine
    - building a laptop
    - building a desktop
    Troubleshooting
    - Software
    - Hardware
    - Windows
    - Other OS's
    Computers Explained
    - etc
    Computer FAQ / Anything else

    That way you end with 4 stickies. These can then be linked to their own non-stickied, closed threads which contain the sub-menu items. I see the need for fewer stickies but you can't just group everything into one because it will never get read, it's just bad design.
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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    Quote Originally Posted by ybbon66 View Post
    You can use a few stickies that then link to subsections that provide expansions:

    Building a Machine
    - building a laptop
    - building a desktop
    Troubleshooting
    - Software
    - Hardware
    - Windows
    - Other OS's
    Computers Explained
    - etc
    Computer FAQ / Anything else

    That way you end with 4 stickies. These can then be linked to their own non-stickied, closed threads which contain the sub-menu items. I see the need for fewer stickies but you can't just group everything into one because it will never get read, it's just bad design.
    Are you volunteering to keep them updated? If no one does we're back to where we are now in six months with all the stickies outdated, again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishron View Post
    Are you volunteering to keep them updated? If no one does we're back to where we are now in six months with all the stickies outdated, again.
    thats the beauty of the questionnaires, you dont need to update those (or not as often).

    We can outsource the basic rudimentary of pcs to wikipedia, no need to update anything.

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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    Quote Originally Posted by irishron View Post
    Are you volunteering to keep them updated? If no one does we're back to where we are now in six months with all the stickies outdated, again.
    If we only stick the build questionnaires, and some broad PC guide, they won't need to be updated.

    I already said I can update and rewrite everything before it's stuck, and I can do it in such a manner that we don't need to update them again, unless architecture undergoes a radical change.
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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    Right. You are not giving ideal builds, but a template of what needs to be asked to get a reasonable idea of what you want and that won't change until the underlying technology changes. You will always need to know what they are keeping, what wants changing, budget, location, purpose etc
    The basic troubleshooting will not update that frequently. We're talking of basic, generic troubleshooting, not specifics.

    If it needs a volunteer to update then yes I'd do it, not every week but every month or so would work.

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    Default Re: We need a sticky...

    Quote Originally Posted by ybbon66 View Post
    Right. You are not giving ideal builds, but a template of what needs to be asked to get a reasonable idea of what you want and that won't change until the underlying technology changes. You will always need to know what they are keeping, what wants changing, budget, location, purpose etc
    The basic troubleshooting will not update that frequently. We're talking of basic, generic troubleshooting, not specifics.

    If it needs a volunteer to update then yes I'd do it, not every week but every month or so would work.
    I do inherently need to keep up to date on things, I dont have much time on my hands though. But sincerely I hardly see the need of a guide of general things, if youd like do it.

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