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    Default Manning the Checkpoint - Israeli Soldier's Account

    First-hand account of an Israeli soldier which sheds some light on what goes through the minds of men involved in low-intensity conflict in the West Bank. It makes no apologies for either side, it is a personal account of how the job shapes individuals and what feelings it evokes.

    It does not paint either side in a politically-charged light, does not make grand political statements, it's merely an individual account. What it does, however, is expose untenability of current political strategy of occupying West Bank from the point of view of individuals who make this occupation actually happen day by day.

    http://www.bostonreview.net/BR37.4/o...occupation.php

    It's a long but gripping read, at least for me.

    I feel somewhat awful using such a deeply personal piece to illustrate a political point, but I think the soldier who wrote it would hopefully agree - occupation of the West Bank is dehumanising to both Israelis and Palestinians alike and creates no victors, only victims.

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    The true nature of the soldier’s mission usually dawns upon him shortly after he arrives on the scene. He might be told, as I was in one of my first shifts, to close a checkpoint for some reason or other. A Palestinian child comes by and asks to pass on his way home from school. When the child discovers the checkpoint is closed and he cannot get home, he begins to cry. Recalling the freedom and responsibility to exercise his clear-headed judgment, the soldier decides to let the child through. A while later, ten crying children come by. They all heard about a new way to pass through the checkpoint even when it is officially closed.
    At this point, facing the crying children, the soldier realizes he made a mistake—not because these children are dangerous, but because he cannot afford to be fooled by ten-year-olds, or by anyone, for that matter. There cannot be an efficient way to pass through his checkpoint. Any such way may be used against him, against his mission. He cannot tell harmless ten-year-olds from ten-year-olds who were sent to trick him. Everyone should know that at his checkpoint it is up to him and him alone to decide what will be their fate.
    The soldier realizes he should not act on empathy since empathy can be manipulated. But can he suppress this natural sentiment? It takes time. The next time a similar situation occurs he does not let the child pass. Instead he smiles at him or tries to make him laugh. These are also signs of weakness. His lenience toward children, if it becomes known, may be used against him. He realizes this when families start encouraging their children to soften him up so they will pass through more quickly. If the harmless Palestinians manipulate him, so can the harmful ones. He makes a further effort to suppress his empathy.
    But if sentiments such as empathy are not proper guides for his clear-headed judgment, which are? Strictly following orders leads to failure as well. He was ordered to use his clear-headed judgment to recognize cases to which the orders do not apply. How should he recognize such cases? Any rule for recognizing exceptions will have to be assigned a higher-order rule by which to recognize its own exceptions. This seems to lead to an infinite regress. The soldier gradually realizes that he cannot but fail his mission: the rules and orders he has to guide him are conditional on his judgment, which cannot be guided by any rule. His judgment is bound to be vacuous.
    The soldier constantly treats people as innocent although as far as he can tell they might be conspiring against him; he constantly intimidates people who arouse his suspicion although they might, for all he knows, be innocent. There are no principles or rules to help him tell a terrorist from a harmless citizen: everything he does is groundless and he knows it. One soldier tells of a taxi driver who kept passing through his checkpoint to drive wounded children to the hospital. On his way back, the driver always had paying passengers in the back seat. When the soldiers at the checkpoint noticed the “trick” they stopped letting him through. From then on, the wounded kids had to wait at the checkpoint until an ambulance came to pick them up. The soldier explains:
    If you let everyone through who comes with a kid and a fractured arm, you’ll be letting terrorists through before you know it. They have no inhibitions. They’ll stop at nothing.
    All the malevolent people he might have let through his checkpoint; all the innocent people who have suffered because of him. He goes on, unable to deliberate about the things he’s done, which cause more pain than he has ever witnessed.
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    I remember asking one female IDF soldier what was the thing that stuck out most in her mind from her time manning border checkpoints, she stopped for a sec and said 'How badly the people I had to search stunk of BO'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere View Post
    I remember asking one female IDF soldier what was the thing that stuck out most in her mind from her time manning border checkpoints, she stopped for a sec and said 'How badly the people I had to search stunk of BO'.
    Different strokes for different folks. Some like the job, others get lost in the moral maze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere View Post
    I remember asking one female IDF soldier what was the thing that stuck out most in her mind from her time manning border checkpoints, she stopped for a sec and said 'How badly the people I had to search stunk of BO'.
    Yeah, they really hate showers. It doesn't really have anything to do with an occupying force monopolizing water sources and thus allowing its settlers to utilize the water at the expense of the Palestinians.
    Did I mention that Arabs are dirty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey View Post
    Yeah, they really hate showers. It doesn't really have anything to do with an occupying force monopolizing water sources and thus allowing its settlers to utilize the water at the expense of the Palestinians.
    Did I mention that Arabs are dirty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Cashmere View Post
    I remember asking one female IDF soldier what was the thing that stuck out most in her mind from her time manning border checkpoints, she stopped for a sec and said 'How badly the people I had to search stunk of BO'.
    She probably got that one from an SS camp guard. Not the only thing Isreal learned from the Nazis.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brick Top View Post
    Their superiors set them up to fail from day dot. The strategy is confused and ineffective. It harms people on both sides.
    That's because Isreal can't decide if it wants to destroy Palestine or grant it independence. Hence we have the current halfway house policy of creating a Palestinian national authority while backing colonization of Palestine by Isrealis with military force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    That's because Isreal can't decide if it wants to destroy Palestine or grant it independence. Hence we have the current halfway house policy of creating a Palestinian national authority while backing colonization of Palestine by Isrealis with military force.
    What would you do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brick Top View Post
    What would you do?
    Well, I live a world away, but Isreal can't have any moral high ground and complain about being attacked until it stops attacking Palestine. The two state solution should be implemented immediately and Isreal should withdraw settlers from Palestine.

    That way most of the guerilla attacks on Isreal will cease, they are provoking it themselves. Of course Hamas and the like will always be present, but Isreal can't complain when they are giving Hamas just reasons for what they are doing.

    The current system is blatantly Apartheid, Isreali settlers in the West Bank have access to the government services of Isreal while Palestinians there are subject to martial law. Palestinians being ineligible for social and health welfare is a major contributing factor to the decade shorter life expectancy of Palestinians and the 4 times higher child mortality among them. Their settlements were often built on land confistacted unilaterally from Palestinians and their structures demolished. The IDF defends Isreali settlers from Palestinian militants but rarely the other way around. Isreal also blatantly denies UN inspectors access to the West Bank.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_...rtheid_analogy
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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    Well, I live a world away, but Isreal can't have any moral high ground and complain about being attacked until it stops attacking Palestine. The two state solution should be implemented immediately and Isreal should withdraw settlers from Palestine.

    That way most of the guerilla attacks on Isreal will cease, they are provoking it themselves. Of course Hamas and the like will always be present, but Isreal can't complain when they are giving Hamas just reasons for what they are doing.

    The current system is blatantly Apartheid, Isreali settlers in the West Bank have access to the government services of Isreal while Palestinians there are subject to martial law. Palestinians being ineligible for social and health welfare is a major contributing factor to the decade shorter life expectancy of Palestinians and the 4 times higher child mortality among them. Their settlements were often built on land confistacted unilaterally from Palestinians and their structures demolished. The IDF defends Isreali settlers from Palestinian militants but rarely the other way around. Isreal also blatantly denies UN inspectors access to the West Bank.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_...rtheid_analogy
    You have to be kidding me. Israel's existence right from the start has been threatened by the Arabs. IF the Arabs had left Israel alone they would not have been attacked. Can you explain to me why the Gaza strip is Jewish free and yet for much of it's history it contained a sizeable Jewish population? Now there is not one Jew living in that area. Talk about ethnic cleansing going on.

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    They have to have checkpoints as some Arabs suffer from human conbustian syndrome they just suddenly blow up for no reason killing Jewish kids and women.

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    Where is the part when he mercilessly guns down hundreds of children and rapes their mothers? THIS IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT!

    EDIT: Note the sarcasm
    Last edited by Whukid; August 24, 2012 at 04:28 PM.
    That is the flaw in your theory, gentlemen and I will not help you out of it. If you choose to deal with men by means of compulsion, do so. But you will discover that you need the voluntary co-operation of your victims, in many more ways than you can see at present. And your victims should discover that it is their own volition - which you cannot force - that makes you possible. I choose to be consistent and I will obey you in the manner you demand. Whatever you wish me to do, I will do it at the point of a gun. If you sentence me to jail, you will have to send armed men to carry me there - I will not volunteer to move. If you fine me, you will have to seize my property to collect the fine - I will not volunteer to pay it. If you believe that you have the right to force me - use your guns openly. I will not help you to disguise the nature of your action. -Hank Rearden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whukid View Post
    Where is the part when he mercilessly guns down hundreds of children and rapes their mothers? THIS IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT!
    Sorry, I think I completely missed your point. Mind re-iterating it for us mate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brick Top View Post
    Sorry, I think I completely missed your point. Mind re-iterating it for us mate?
    I was being sarcastic Generally, positive accounts from the Israeli point of view are knocked down because they don't show "the pain suffered by the Palestinian people".
    That is the flaw in your theory, gentlemen and I will not help you out of it. If you choose to deal with men by means of compulsion, do so. But you will discover that you need the voluntary co-operation of your victims, in many more ways than you can see at present. And your victims should discover that it is their own volition - which you cannot force - that makes you possible. I choose to be consistent and I will obey you in the manner you demand. Whatever you wish me to do, I will do it at the point of a gun. If you sentence me to jail, you will have to send armed men to carry me there - I will not volunteer to move. If you fine me, you will have to seize my property to collect the fine - I will not volunteer to pay it. If you believe that you have the right to force me - use your guns openly. I will not help you to disguise the nature of your action. -Hank Rearden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whukid View Post
    I was being sarcastic Generally, positive accounts from the Israeli point of view are knocked down because they don't show "the pain suffered by the Palestinian people".
    I'm not sure the account was intended to be positive tbh. The guy hates the job, is permanently confused and feels ineffective in the task of protecting Israeli civs on the inside of the wall. He looks at Palestinians at checkpoints and begins to realise that they are just as confused as he is about the rules of engagement.

    All in all the guy is pretty bitter about what his own state made him become - an autonomous control unit devoid of simple humanity. The only impact he has had on the world even he himself considers at best worthless, at worst barbaric.

    The account describes the process of becoming a sociopath. Pretty gut-wrenching stuff if you ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brick Top View Post
    I'm not sure the account was intended to be positive tbh. The guy hates the job, is permanently confused and feels ineffective in the task of protecting Israeli civs on the inside of the wall. He looks at Palestinians at checkpoints and begins to realise that they are just as confused as he is about the rules of engagement.

    All in all the guy is pretty bitter about what his own state made him become - an autonomous control unit devoid of simple humanity. The only impact he has had on the world even he himself considers at best worthless, at worst barbaric.

    The account describes the process of becoming a sociopath. Pretty gut-wrenching stuff if you ask me.
    Positive account= anything not "ISRAEL IS EVIL. THEY KILL INNOCENTS FOR FUN"

    Unfortunately, someone has to do this job. It's been that way since Israel was created in 1948; they've started wars over people sneaking in and killing Israelis.
    That is the flaw in your theory, gentlemen and I will not help you out of it. If you choose to deal with men by means of compulsion, do so. But you will discover that you need the voluntary co-operation of your victims, in many more ways than you can see at present. And your victims should discover that it is their own volition - which you cannot force - that makes you possible. I choose to be consistent and I will obey you in the manner you demand. Whatever you wish me to do, I will do it at the point of a gun. If you sentence me to jail, you will have to send armed men to carry me there - I will not volunteer to move. If you fine me, you will have to seize my property to collect the fine - I will not volunteer to pay it. If you believe that you have the right to force me - use your guns openly. I will not help you to disguise the nature of your action. -Hank Rearden

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whukid View Post
    I was being sarcastic Generally, positive accounts from the Israeli point of view are knocked down because they don't show "the pain suffered by the Palestinian people".
    Hm? In the US at least, the public discourse is overwhelmingly pro-Israeli.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trey View Post
    Hm? In the US at least, the public discourse is overwhelmingly pro-Israeli.
    No, politics is largely pro-Israel, because the alternative is what? And I would think that public opinion would be awfully close to 50/50. Keeping in mind that it is the pro-Israeli people who scream the loudest.

    The history of the US relationship is clearly pro-Israel, but not nearly as one sided as most people believe. We've done enough to turn Israel against us, if they didn't need us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whukid View Post
    Where is the part when he mercilessly guns down hundreds of children and rapes their mothers? THIS IS NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT!
    You must have him mixed up with people from Irgun and all the other bloodthirsty early pioneers
    of everyone's favorite little racist state.

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    It's not so much the BO as it is the garlic breath, Palestinians breath Hummus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze86420 View Post
    It's not so much the BO as it is the garlic breath, Palestinians breath Hummus.
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    You don't seem to be familiar with how the burden of proof works in when discussing social justice. It's not like science where it lies on the one making the claim. If someone claims to be oppressed, they don't have to prove it.


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