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    Pretty interesting read. Historically Jewish groups have been near unanimous in their support for unrestricted immigration to Western countries, but a minority believe that a new variety of immigrants is possibly threatening their interets. So far movements like that of Gert Wilders have garnered a cool reception from Jews to say the least despite their explicit pro-Israel and pro-Judaism positions, so I doubt much will change.
    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back404.html

    My experience at the grassroots suggests Jews know little about the history of their own immigration, immigration policy, the scale of immigration, or the engines that drive it. Frequently, all that�s required to effect attitudinal change is apprising them. When I began my efforts, the Jewish media spoke of Jewish attitudes in favor of open-borders immigration as "monolithic;" now it�s commonplace to speak of "a raging debate." If this could be accomplished essentially by one person, what might a concerted, well-funded effort achieve? Opinion is volatile and up for grabs. Among the community�s organizational leadership, enthusiasm for this dangerous anachronism is a mile wide and an inch deep.
    Thus, behind closed doors, Jewish leaders speak a different language. This is not entirely new with immigration, but the gulf is now a chasm. Privately they express grave concern that unregulated immigration will prove ruinous to American Jewry, as it has for French Jewry, and will for Jews throughout Western Europe. There�s particular fear about the impact on Jewish security, as well as American support for Israel, of the rapid growth of the Muslim population. At the conclusion of meetings with national leaders, several told me, "You�re 1000 percent right, but I can�t go out and say it yet." While they have yet to find the civic courage to break with the traditional consensus they can see the Rubicon glinting in the distance, and many recognize that eventually they will have to cross it.
    For Jews, the immigration debate pits the heart against the head. In their gut, many feel that substantially reducing immigration betrays the legacy of their parents and grandparents. But a growing number believes that maintaining this policy betrays their children and grandchildren. The danger arises because mass immigration means importing mass anti-Semitism. The upsurge of violent anti-Semitism in Western Europe tracks perfectly with mass immigration, especially of Muslims. Mass immigration is also the generator of Balkanizing notions of extreme multiculturalism. Having worked for nearly a century through communal organizations, the courts, and interfaith dialogue to achieve a tolerant and cohesive society largely free of anti-Semitism, it�s anguishing for American Jews to watch current immigration erase this outcome. However uncomfortable, American Jews must grapple with the issue: they have a greater stake than other Americans in how this policy plays out.
    In the banlieues � the lawless slums that ring Paris and other French cities � Jews and Jewish institutions are repeatedly attacked by marauding gangs of Muslim hoodlums. CNN recently reported that violent attacks on Jews in Paris average 12 a day. Reminiscent of Germany, circa 1930, when Hitler�s Brown Shirts ruled the streets while a timid government and press kept silent, government and media in Western Europe turn a blind eye to Islamic anti-Semitic violence out of fear of their growing political power and reflexive political-correctness. Living amidst a Muslim population that outnumbers it 10 to one and a political establishment indifferent to anti-Semitism, beleaguered French Jews endure conditions not seen for more than half a century. Overt violence is rarer in Great Britain, but rioting second-generation South Asian youth shouting "death to the Jews" in the Midlands some 18 months ago may be a harbinger, and Britain hosts the most radical mosques in Europe; those tracking worldwide Islamism refer to the British capital as "Londonistan."
    Muslims are not alone in entering America en mass with anti-Semitic prejudices. The Latin American societies that are the largest source of contemporary immigration � 60 percent from Mexico and Central America � are steeped in a culture of theological anti-Semitism that�s defied the post-Vatican II enlightenment of European and North American Catholicism. Nor have they a mitigating history of familiarity with Jews, little knowledge and no direct or familial experience of the Holocaust, and regard Jews simply as among the most privileged of white Americans. An ADL study found 47 percent of Latinos hold strongly anti-Semitic attitudes.

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    how is any western political establishment "indifferent" to anti semitism?

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    The part about French authorities being indifferent is really about them not caring about the 'banlieues', aka poor people. They are France's favelas - home to poverty, gangs, and drugs. I'd bet a Jewish man being attacked on main street would evoke a strong police response.

    Also, "No Muslims or Hispanics, Whites and Jews Only" doesn't seem like a good policy to end anti-semitism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSJ View Post
    Also, "No Muslims or Hispanics, Whites and Jews Only" doesn't seem like a good policy to end anti-semitism.
    Actually I think isnobery more than racism is the dominant motivator. Center-right parties like the British Conservatives only restrict the immigration of poor people, they're fine with letting in rich ones and even giving them royal titles.

    And what are you talking about "Hispanics"? Spain is a rich western liberal democracy that the rest of Europe has accepted into common citizenship with open arms. "Hispanics" isn't a word I've ever heard anybody use this side of the Atlantic.

    You wouldn't be able to tell the difference by looking whether someone was from Spain or Norway. They're white except for those of moorish heritage. Hence no racism targets them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LSJ View Post
    Also, "No Muslims or Hispanics, Whites and Jews Only" doesn't seem like a good policy to end anti-semitism.
    Traditionally that's been the Jewish attitude, as articulated by Leonard Glickman of the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society: "The more diverse American society is, the safer [Jews] are." The view has been that a homogenous white gentile country with strong national or religious identity could potentially turn on an easily identifiable minority like Jews. However Jews were mostly well-off and secure in the Anglosphere even in more homogenous times, while the introduction of Muslim and Hispanic (in the case of the US) elements that have antisemitic attitudes more frequently than western European peoples. Hence Steinlight's allegory of the heart being for open borders vs the brain being for more regulation. Personally, I believe the visceral fear and loathing of European civilization and Christianity will be more powerful.
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    What's with your obsession with Jews lately?
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    In the mind of leading Jews a "Whites and Jews" society has been tried many times before and each time it lead at best to Jews becoming second class citizens and at worst beign targeted for all out extermination.


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    In America Jews are "just another type of Protestant". Somewhere between Catholics and Mormons on the acceptability spectrum. As were Muslims until the last decade, not that we're out to get them or something. We just feel they're more foreign because of events taking place in the world.

    Maybe if Romney wins the presidency we'll have a Jew in the future.

    We already had a black man.

    No women though. That would be silly.
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    Default Re: Will the Jewish community re-think its immigration stance?

    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    In America Jews are "just another type of Protestant". Somewhere between Catholics and Mormons on the acceptability spectrum. As were Muslims until the last decade, not that we're out to get them or something. We just feel they're more foreign because of events taking place in the world.

    Maybe if Romney wins the presidency we'll have a Jew in the future.

    We already had a black man.

    No women though. That would be silly.
    I don't even think people bother with Jews here, maybe in Alabama where there are no Jews. Really, I don't think I've ever seen antisemitism against Jews outside of a news broadcast featuring some nazis.

    Lieberman was Gore's running mate in 2000, a lot of people thought he had a middle-enough appeal to become President back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitsunegari View Post
    Pretty interesting read. Historically Jewish groups have been near unanimous in their support for unrestricted immigration to Western countries, but a minority believe that a new variety of immigrants is possibly threatening their interets. So far movements like that of Gert Wilders have garnered a cool reception from Jews to say the least despite their explicit pro-Israel and pro-Judaism positions, so I doubt much will change.
    http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/back404.html
    I think Jews should stop poking their nose into the affairs of other nations. They got their own state now - a death trap I'd say, and I'd even know how they could get a similar state (possibly in the same location) without having it as a death trap by clever and just diplomacy as opposed to Rothschild style conspiracy and ruthlessness, if they wanted it but so far I've only heard negative reactions from Jews themselves. If Jews want Europe overrun by rapist Somalians who set fire to innocent bypassers just "for kicks", while they want Israel to be a racially pure Jewish state, then they'd better start packing their bags because people who push for multi-culti in Europe are going to be very, very hated soon.

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    Default Re: Will the Jewish community re-think its immigration stance?

    I think Jews should stop poking their nose into the affairs of other nations. They got their own state now - a death trap I'd say, and I'd even know how they could get a similar state (possibly in the same location) without having it as a death trap by clever and just diplomacy as opposed to Rothschild style conspiracy and ruthlessness, if they wanted it but so far I've only heard negative reactions from Jews themselves. If Jews want Europe overrun by rapist Somalians who set fire to innocent bypassers just "for kicks", while they want Israel to be a racially pure Jewish state, then they'd better start packing their bags because people who push for multi-culti in Europe are going to be very, very hated soon.
    It was pretty funny how the riots and general backlash against the small number of African refugees in Israel was mostly ignored by the media.

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